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Old 03-08-2008, 06:17 PM
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What sort of international sanctions exist in the economics of your country?
well, for now, our banks are banned, so we can't get to open L/C accounts. our foreign trading capabilities are so few now and we're suffering lack of support in international courts and there's no insurance at all that we're gonna continue to hold a market outside Iran. this instability makes business so hard here. but what can be done? for now, we're continuing to live. hard but not impossible.
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A bit of a stretch don't you think? I can't say I've seen many Americans behead people in the name of Allah, have 30 different militias all mentioning martyrdom, war, God, etc.

Theology in government is one thing, theology running government is another.
and I can't say many Iranians did. sometimes I think you're talking about another country. 'cause I haven't seen -what you're telling me happening in my doorsteps- at my doorsteps!
I think the problem rises from cultural differences. you don't know how people of Iran think. that's the problem, and that's not your problem, because you simply can't understand us. we're grown in so different cultures.
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well, for now, our banks are banned, so we can't get to open L/C accounts. our foreign trading capabilities are so few now and we're suffering lack of support in international courts and there's no insurance at all that we're gonna continue to hold a market outside Iran. this instability makes business so hard here. but what can be done? for now, we're continuing to live. hard but not impossible.
Sounds like serious isolationist policies, these are by the UN and US? Or your federal government? It would help if you provided a few references. Do you think international banks are being limited based on your government's involvement in military programs?
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I don't have detailed information, as I'm informed of these due to my job when I talk to other managers in my office. I think these are UN sanctions. many foreign companies are afraid to do business with Iran. I could show you some letters from Chinese and Indonesian companies but they are confidential and I'm not allowed to show them in the internet. I'll try to find some links later. I'm dying of sleep right now, it's 7 am here and I haven't slept last night!
about the banks, I think so. but what could banks do? for example agriculture bank is banned!

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I don't have detailed information, as I'm informed of these due to my job when I talk to other managers in my office. I think these are UN sanctions. many foreign companies are afraid to do business with Iran. I could show you some letters from Chinese and Indonesian companies but they are confidential and I'm not allowed to show them in the internet. I'll try to find some links later. I'm dying of sleep right now, it's 7 am here and I haven't slept last night!
about the banks, I think so. but what could banks do? for example agriculture bank is banned!

P.S. political issues are really exciting, and I completely forget about my university stuff last night!
Lol go to sleep and post tomorrow.
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It seems you've forgotten history, my friend. America began as a theocratic state.

(and it wasn't as peaceful and accepting as one may think - members of other religions hanged/tarred&feathered, etc., militias created in the name of God, etc.)
Read the 'colonial' section
http://books.google.com/books?id=ydC...esults#PPP1,M1
It seems that you don't know your history, my friend. The first British colony was Virginia. It was started solely as a for-profit company located in Jamestown. The second colony was the either the Plymouth, which involved Puritans fleeing English persecution and setting up a theocracy. This theocracy did not last, however, it ended before the American Revolution began. The Founding Fathers hated this theocracy so much that they set up a government that forbade state recognition of religion
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here are some links to bank isolations.
I do not accept any of the claims in those articles, I just brought them here to tell you what actually happened.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/29/wo...sanctions.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...090801454.html
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From the link provided

On Puritans/Virginia Colony:
“Puritans used the law courts to harass and punish the small number of Quakers and Baptists that remained among them. But even though they hanged four Quakers around 1660, few Puritans were comfortable with this behavior. They preferred to cope with dissent by shunning the dissenters. Advocates of severe repression always spoke in the in the name of larger religious unity, but serious efforts to implement their program ended by dividing the community, not uniting it.
Something analogous happened in the seventeenth-century Virginia…Governor William Berkeley…exalted ‘for learning has brought disobedience and heresy, and sects into the world; and printing has divulged them, and libels against the best government. God keep us from both’”

(No need to delve into other sources, although I could provide infinitely more crimes in the name of ‘God’ in early America)

We must remember a very small number of people at this time were ‘nonreligious’. It’s not comparable with today in the least, there were factions of religious extremists just as in Islam. (And I won’t start on the later KKK, maybe you thought they were a mere anti-racial group.)
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here are some links to bank isolations.
I do not accept any of the claims in those articles, I just brought them here to tell you what actually happened.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/29/wo...sanctions.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...090801454.html
Do you know any information on the Hezbollah-funding claims?
(or were they just as baseless as the Bush admin's claim of Iraq having nukes)
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This theocracy did not last, however, it ended before the American Revolution began. The Founding Fathers hated this theocracy so much that they set up a government that forbade state recognition of religion
On 1780 Mass. Constitution/1784 NH Constitution:
"Massachusetts constitution of 1780 explicitly recognized the providence of God while 'imploring His discretion' in framing a government derived from the people. New Hampshire in 1784 based all 'due subjection' to government upon 'morality and piety, rightly grounded on evangelical principles.'"

"...Maryland made no explicit mention of God's blessings [in the constitution], but all requiring officeholders to be Christians..."
(example of theocracy after US Declaration of Independence)
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