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Old 03-18-2008, 08:18 AM
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Oh...and as for whether Iran is an oligarchy:


We choose to elect people from one of two major parties in the US. But we are not limited to those parties. We can vote for whoever we want. I could even write-in myself, and it would be a valid vote.

Iranians do not have that luxury. They cannot vote for anyone the Guardian Council dissapproves of. So when you said Iran was no different from us, that statement is fact factually incorrect.
I'm a marketing manager, so I know how it works. for example:

we're providing a new production that has some weak rivals and one strong rival in the market. we will focus on the strongest rival and we will advertise our products' positive points and our rival's negative points. this way, people will actually buy one of these two, based on many factors. weak rivals stay weak, and have less than a percent of the market, we share the rest.
actually, we count on this strategy, we calculate the profit before releasing and advertising and usually the real numbers is not far from the predicted ones. (less than 10% difference) this is irrelevant to what quality our product is. they are some economically weak rivals that provide better productions than both of us, they don't have the advertising capacity we have. in this strategy, people have the right to chose anything, and people comfortably chose one of two BIG products, and they think they're free to do so. but in fact, we forced them to buy our products. a simple confidential agreement with our rival is enough to conquer the market.

that's what I see happening in US. consider this next time you're going to vote, and also see that what choices is provided to you. I'm not in favor of this strategy, but it works gracefully. I'm not arguing that you're not free, I just wanted to share my experiences. some facts are mathematically true, but in reality, they're lots of factors that limits it.
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Who are you to decide such things? Isnt that what you just argued?

They know better than you, right?
I never said they know EVERYTHING better than me, no, they're humans like me. they can judge people according to rule of islam better than me, because they've studied islam for years.

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They are weeding out immoral people....isnt that their function?
Why? Explain to me what you believe their function is.
generally a reformist is not an immoral person. a terrorist, a drug dealer, a murderer is. they should ban such people.
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we're providing a new production that has some weak rivals and one strong rival in the market. we will focus on the strongest rival and we will advertise our products' positive points and our rival's negative points. this way, people will actually buy one of these two, based on many factors. weak rivals stay weak, and have less than a percent of the market, we share the rest.
You cannot force people to buy a product they don't want, no matter how good your advertising is.


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actually, we count on this strategy, we calculate the profit before releasing and advertising and usually the real numbers is not far from the predicted ones. (less than 10% difference) this is irrelevant to what quality our product is.
Then why not just manufacture dirt? If it doesn't matter, why do you have a product at all?

Obviously it matters.



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they are some economically weak rivals that provide better productions than both of us, they don't have the advertising capacity we have. in this strategy, people have the right to chose anything, and people comfortably chose one of two BIG products, and they think they're free to do so.
And they are. If your rivals produce a consistently superior product, word will eventually spread.

There is predecent for this in my own nation. IBM used to be huge...where are they now? Beta VCRs no longer exist here, despite the fact that they were backed by Sony. No, advertising isn't magic. All it can do is make people aware of your product...it will not force them to buy garbage.



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that's what I see happening in US. consider this next time you're going to vote, and also see that what choices is provided to you.
How did you determine that a majority of Americans do not support the ideology of the current leading candidates?


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I'm not in favor of this strategy, but it works gracefully. I'm not arguing that you're not free, I just wanted to share my experiences. some facts are mathematically true, but in reality, they're lots of factors that limits it.
They are variables. But ultimately, yes, the product matters. The advertising only matters if the candidates are comparable.

There is zero chance of an open racist ever becoming president in the US. It would not matter how much advertising he had, or how attractive he was. Or even how effective his non-ideological policies (such as economic policy) were. Even if he was brilliant, it would not matter...racism is a deal breaker. Americans will never get past that variable.

So yes, the product does matter. You cant make a turd appetizing, no matter what kind of garnish you use.
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I never said they know EVERYTHING better than me, no, they're humans like me. they can judge people according to rule of islam better than me, because they've studied islam for years.
So who are you to question their judgement now?



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generally a reformist is not an immoral person.
Suppose they disagree with you...which of you is right? And how do you determine that?

They are empowered to filter out people they consider immoral. That is their function in your government. So why do you believe you should be able to question their decisions? What changed?
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if you popusefully don't want to understand what I say, then the argument is pointless. read my posts again. you'll get your answer.
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I agree I think I already know the answer. I was offering you the chance to clarify incase I got it wrong.
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