Israel misuses the Holocaust as a cover to do what they actually want: more imperialistic takeovers of Palestinian land. Israel has asked Germany in the past to cover shortages in their national budget. The US supports almost blindly Israel, I think this is due to the rich Christian elite in the US who supports Zionism due to their religion. (Israel is the "Holy Country" for them.)

Besides Zionists have used terrorism too. The Zionist groups of Irgun and Lehi placed bombs in crowded places such as bus stops, shopping centres and markets.

Zionists are actually doing what they want, they're building new settlements on the occupied West Bank even though it crashed with the public international law.

Some consequences of the 1948 Arab Israeli War (for the Israelis: War of Independence ). All these fact are proven ....

- Establishment of Israel on 78 % from captured Palestinian ground.
- Zionists troops have expelled more than 750 000 Palestinians ....
- Zionist fighters caused a bloodbath in Deir Yassin.
- The conflict and the destruction of more than 500 Palestinian villages and cities by Zionists was responsible for ca. 750 000 Palestinian refugees
- The Zionist army which was led by Ben-Gurion had planned the Palestinian Exodus..
The Zionist army used different methods: economical warfare, psychological warfare and the destruction of whole Palestinian villages together with the expulsions of its habitants. The Palestinian exodus was an ethnic purification. Benny Morris confirmed later Israel and its Zionists did a ethnic purification.

All these crimes are committed by Zionists to accomplish an illegal state without reason for existence.

Does the Holocaust really justify the expulsions and killings of Palestinian citizens? No! The Palestinians were expelled from their own ground, just because of forefathers of the Jews lived there many centuries ago ...

The Kingdom of Israel existed from roughly 930s BC until about 720s BC. Does this old Kingdom and the Holocaust really justify Zionism and Palestinian refugees?

Besides Palestine was only Jewish many centuries BC.

- Between 1919 and 1923 35 000 Jews migrated to Palestine, the Jews represent now 12 % of the population and they have 3 % of the land.
- Between 1924 and 1928 more than 65 000 Jews have migrated to Palestine, whereby the Jews represent now 16 % of the population and 4 % of the land is Jewish possession.

Not an important presence, and this presence is even due to mass migration!

@ i.beletesri

Well, the problem is that even remotely neutral sources are in short supply, there are so many lies that the "realities" of both sides have drifted apart to such a degree that there simply can be no middle ground.


Gentile hating Jewish side: The Jews were innocent victims through all their history never left in peace by the unclean goyim-cattle who hate them for no reason. Nazis, Christians, Muslims, they all have historically always picked on the innocent Jews. Israel is a state of peace terrorized by evil Arabs since it's foundation. Israel rightfully belongs to the Jewish people and such a thing as "Palestinians" do not even exist and the Arabs in the promised land should just move to Jordan.

The Other side: The Jews are evil liars and deceiver since ancient times, they practices of usury have impoverished people since ancient Rome and ever since. The host populations among which they dwell are usually being sucked dry to such an extent that at some point they are left with the choice either to starve to death in their own country or to drive the Jews out. A parasitism that is the reason why Jews historically were expelled from various nations sometimes multiple times through history. Israel is a terrorist state founded on murder, terrorism, and lies, the only claim they have to the land is biblical nonsense out of a book which claims that the world was created in 7 days!


Sources for both sides are plenty and to reach a middle ground between such contradicting views standing in total antagonism basically impossible.



The land west of the Jordan River was historically called Palestinian Syria or sometimes only Palaestina


Who can tell how much the dishonest BBC has paid those Dir Yassin for this interview? BBC, and that not just since their "9/11 hit piece", is not a credible source! The BBC was established by rich British Jews in 1922 to spread their propaganda. One reason for this was that Jews already after ww1 claimed that 6 millions Jews were being killed but no one believed them back than, a more powerful tool to spread their views was needed!

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there was never a country called palestine. thus palestine was an area that was part of syria. thus the oppressed were syrians.

The land west of the Jordan River was historically called Palestinian Syria or sometimes only Palaestina

so what. it wasn't until the palestinians charter that palestinians referred to arabs.

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/mideast/plocov.htm
and even then not to the palestinian nations but the arab nations.

before then the palestinians refered to the jews of the area and the arabs were arabs of the arab nation. all part of the "Ummah Über Alles" or as hamas puts it part of the Islamic Waqf. once again, the palestinian did not exist as separate from the arabs thus are not an ethnic group or any uniquely identifiable group.

What a joke! BBC's anti-Israel and even antisemitic bias is well known. I don't know about the rich British Jews in 1922 (source?) but even given that were true then they have certainly lost control of their project. It is now supposedly financed in part or completely by the government..... I suggest you Google "BBC and Antisemitism" and see what comes up. In fact, their anti-Jewish, anti-Israel bias is so great, that I would tend to agree with you that it is not a credible source.

That second comment, the one that sounds like Holocaust denial, would you happen to have a source for that, or did you make it up yourself?

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I don't see anything here about rich Jews establishing the BBC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British...asting_Company

Perhaps you need to edit wiki to include those rich biased Jews when they discuss the history of the BBC?

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"The courageous over the infidels, make war for Allah and are not afraid... This is the depiction of the army of Allah that will come at Allah's decree, from here or from there, to liberate these lands from the defilement of the Jews, for Allah was angry with them in his book and called them once 'monkeys,' once 'swine,' and once 'donkeys.'" (Palestinian TV, March 30, 2001)

Example please/


The first Palestinian State was carved out of the Mandate for Palestine in 1921 to become the state of Trans-Jordan. All of the Arab Palestinian residents became citizens of Jordan. It Jordan was 78% of the original Mandate. Jews are not allowed to live in Jordan. The UN then decided to divide the remaining portion of the Mandate into two states, an Arab one and a Jewish one. The Arabs decided that they did not want a Jewish one and immediately attacked the Jewish state.

• Five of the seven countries of the Arab League at that time, namely Egypt, Iraq, Transjordan, Lebanon and Syria, backed with Saudi Arabian and Yemenite contingents invaded[105] the territory of the former British Mandate of Palestine on the night of 14–15 May 1948. source

It seems more than a little disingenuous to pretend that the situation was entirely the fault of Israel and the Jews. In fact the Jewish state lost a full one percent of its population to 'war and conflict.' It is not as if the 'Zionists' were massacring and expelling Palestinian Arabs while the Arabs were singing "Give Peace a Chance." The Jews (Zionists as you call them) took a beating as well.

Can you demonstrate that "Zionists troops have expelled more than 750 000 Palestinians ....?" It is well known that Arabs left the area of their own accord -- most were not 'expelled'.

You want to talk about war crimes during this War of Independence for Israel? How about the blockade of Jerusalem, and how the Palestinian Arabs killed people because they tried to bring food into Jerusalem?

• Having recruited a few thousand volunteers, al-Husayni organised the blockade of the 100,000 Jewish residents of Jerusalem.[36] To counter this, the Yishuv authorities tried to supply the city with convoys of up to 100 armoured vehicles, but the operation became more and more impractical and more and more died in this process. By March, Al-Hussayni's tactic had paid off. Almost the entirety of Haganah's armoured vehicles had been destroyed, the blockade was in full operation, and hundreds of the Haganah members who tried to bring supplies to the city were killed.[37] The situation for those who dwelt in the Jewish settlements in the highly-isolated Negev and northern Galilee was even more critical. sourced above

Arabs expelled Jewish communities Jewish Quarter of the Old City of Jerusalem, most of whose buildings were subsequently razed; the Etzion Bloc of settlements—Kfar Etzion, Massu’ot Yitzhak, Revadim, and Ein Tzurim (again, the buildings were razed to the ground by their looters-conquerors); and Kfar Darom, in the Gaza Strip.

Arabs massacred dozens of surrendering Haganah troops, including some twenty women, at Kfar Etzion in the Etzion Bloc of settlements just north of Hebron. So you see Palestinian Arabs did their share of massacring as well. I am not claiming that two wrongs make a right, just that there is plenty of blame for Palestinian Arabs and not all is on the backs of the "Zionists."

You are saying it. No one else is talking about 'justification'.
This is a load. No one is 'justifying' Zionism -- It has been around since the First Temple. And as for Palestinian Arab refugees.... they have nothing to do with the Holocaust. The fact that Palestinian Arabs were complicit with Hitler and the Nazis and wanted to wipe out Jews has nothing to do with the fact that Palestinian Arabs fled the region when war broke out in earnest.
Well it's important now. It goes to show how a few determined people can lead a progressive life even though all her neighbors preach her death and wage a constant war of attrition. The more they fight, the more they seem to lose. Perhaps it is time for another approach instead of this constant jihad, the murdering of Jewish civilians in order to get land. Why don't the Palestinians make their section of the desert bloom, instead of turning their homes into military training camps and teaching their children to hate? I suspect it will be a cold day in hell ....

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Please, just because their pro-Israel bias isn't as obvious as it is with the other media does not mean the BBC is not controlled by them.

To archive media control you best use 3 different types of media:

1) Totally biased pro-government media

2) Moderately biased media

3) Alternative media appearing unbiased in relation to the rest

Non of those 3 types will be unbiased but that's something the people, as long as you can control the information which they receive, will not notice. Man does not have anything even remotely resembling an objective perception, his judgment is based on the difference he acknowledges between different states, a car is greater than a dog, a philosopher more intelligent than a chimpanzee, Russia greater than Belgium, and so on. Without giant states like China or Russia, Belgium would not appear like a small nation, without intelligent people, ~70 IQ people would not appear like morons, and without even remotely free nations, China would not appear like a totalitarian regime.

Without means of comparison man is basically blind and unable to make a judgment. Information control is thought control and thought control comes down to behavior control.



I deny nothing, I just pointed out that the 6 million claim isn't new and was already made after ww1, a claim which has it's roots in the mathematic voodoo of the Kabbalah (קַבָּלָה):

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Despite Skepts claims of total jewish control most Western sources do refir to the Israeli settlements in the West Bank and Gaza as "illegal".

And I think a lot of people do figure Israel wants the land. I mean if you took someone who didn't know the region and showed them a map of the area and said. "Ok you're this country here, what land would you want to get first?" they'd probably pick Gaza and the west bank.

Honestly I think the Palestinians should have followed Kosovos model. You attack because you have to. But then instead of continuing terrorism and hostilities you switch into nicey nice mode. Also you'd want to appeal to instead of anger the US. There are other countries like Russia or China that could aid Palestinian independence. But they could give a rats behind about Palestine, and aren't going to help. Only the US/NATO are meddlesome enough to help. And we've twisted Israels arm a couple times when they caused to much collateral damage.

It's just the Palestinians throw away any feelings of support that build up in the US. We see pictures of dead Palestinian babies, but then see the blood spots from a rampage at an Israeli university or hear of rockets flying over the border etc etc and we think, ah, Israel must fight back. To bad about the collateral damage.

<<<Personal Attack Removed>>> They paid thousands of dollars to keep their own internal report about their anti-Israel bias out of the public eye. You obviously did not read the links I put up. Clearly you are making stuff up here. It seems you have your own bias that doesn't require ONE FACT. This belongs in the conspiracy section theory.

See above about conspiracy section. You are full of non-facts and subjective bias.

Well obviously you don't have a copy of the NYT Nov 12 1919 or American Hebrew Magazine of October 31, 1919, p 582 .... so where exactly did you get this so-called "information"???

Link please!

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war.jpg click on pic, I believe in a Palastinian home land, I fought in 67 and said I would never bear arms again, it must be my Jewish blood that boils when I read the sad mantra of the anti semite.

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