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".....On 6/5/1967, in a pre-dawn raid, Israeli jets destroyed almost all the fighter planes of Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Iraq before their pilots could get them off the ground. With most of their air forces a smoldering wreck, the Arabs had lost the war almost as soon as it had begun. Arab armor without air cover was destroyed by Israeli planes; and Arab infantry without armor was no match for the Israeli land forces. In six days, Israel re-gained the Sinai, drove the Jordan Legion from the West Bank, and took control of the Golan Heights within artillery range of Damascus. Suddenly there was a new order in the Middle East.

Israel had done much more than is generally acknowledged to avoid this war.
It struck only after working for weeks under threat of annihilation to exhaust all reasonable diplomatic channels, and after begging the Arab states to honor their cease-fire agreements. But even more compelling, unnoticed by many but thoroughly documented in diplomatic archives is the communication between the Israeli government and King Hussein of Jordan. On Tuesday, June 5, several hours AFTER the Jordan Legion had begun its bombardment of Jerusalem and Petakh Tikvah, Israel sent a message via the Rumanian Embassy to King Hussein. The message was short and clear: stop the bombardment now and we will not invade the West Bank.

But King Hussein had already received a phone call from Nasser. This call was monitored by the Israeli Secret Service. Even though he knew that his air force was in ruins, Nasser told Hussein that Egyptian planes were over Tel Aviv and his armor was advancing on Israeli positions. Hussein believed him, and disregarded Israel’s plea. Had Hussein listened to Israel, the West Bank would still be in Jordanian hands. Instead, he sent his troops into the Israeli section of Jerusalem. Only AFTER its territorial integrity in Jerusalem was violated did Israel mount an assault on the Jordanian West Bank.

A few days after the UN cease fire of 6/11/67, Abba Eban, Israel’s representative at the UN, made his famous speech. He held out the olive branch to the Arab world, inviting Arab states to join Israel at the peace table, and informing them in unequivocal language that everything but Jerusalem was negotiable. Territories taken in the war could be returned in exchange for formal recognition, bi-lateral negotiations, and peace.

Israel wanted peace. Israel offered land in exchange for peace.
As Lord Carendon, the UK representative at the UN, noted with considerable surprise after Abba Eban’s speech, Never in the history of warfare did the Victor sue for Peace -- and the Vanquished Refuse.

Twice within a few weeks of the war’s end, the USSR and the Arab Bloc floated motions in the UN General Assembly declaring that Israel was the aggressor. Both motions were roundly defeated. At that time, the world knew that the Arabs were the aggressors, and that Israel, victim of aggression, had sued for peace both before the war and after their amazing victory.

Unable to brand Israel the aggressor, and in disarray following Israel’s public request for peace and reconciliation, The Arab world faced what for it was a difficult choice. Recognize Israel, negotiate for the return of conquered territories, and make peace…or not.

Rather than respond to Israel’s invitation, the Arab states met in Khartoum, Sudan, for a conference in August, 1967. They unanimously decided in favor of the now famous three Khartoum “NO’s”: No recognition, No negotiation, No peace.
This was only round 3. The Arab world could suffer many more defeats before its ultimate victory. Israel could suffer only one defeat. Better that Israel hold on to the territories taken in the war. Better that the refugees continue languishing in their squalor and misery. Better that the Arab states re-arm for round 4…than to recognize Israel’s right to exist or negotiate toward a peaceful settlement of the conflict.

With the Khartoum “NO’s”, the Arab world forced Israel to Unwillingly assume control over the approximately million Arabs living in the West Bank, Golan Heights, Sinai and Gaza Strip.


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Old 03-29-2008, 06:26 PM
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Despite Skepts claims of total jewish control most Western sources do refir to the Israeli settlements in the West Bank and Gaza as "illegal".

And I think a lot of people do figure Israel wants the land. I mean if you took someone who didn't know the region and showed them a map of the area and said. "Ok you're this country here, what land would you want to get first?" they'd probably pick Gaza and the west bank.

Honestly I think the Palestinians should have followed Kosovos model. You attack because you have to. But then instead of continuing terrorism and hostilities you switch into nicey nice mode. Also you'd want to appeal to instead of anger the US. There are other countries like Russia or China that could aid Palestinian independence. But they could give a rats behind about Palestine, and aren't going to help. Only the US/NATO are meddlesome enough to help. And we've twisted Israels arm a couple times when they caused to much collateral damage.

It's just the Palestinians throw away any feelings of support that build up in the US. We see pictures of dead Palestinian babies, but then see the blood spots from a rampage at an Israeli university or hear of rockets flying over the border etc etc and we think, ah, Israel must fight back. To bad about the collateral damage.

I was refering to this: "Israel misuses the Holocaust as a cover to do what they actually want: more imperialistic takeovers of Palestinian land."

While I don't disagree with you that many believe that Israel wants to take over so-called Palestinian land...that is simply Arab/Pal/Muslim propaganda, the old adage that a lie will get halfway around the world before the truth gets his shoes on. But what is this bull-oney that talks about "Israel misusing the Holocaust?" Anyway it is clear from the rest of his/her posts that s/he is a Holocaust-denier in sheep's clothing, thus to be ignored as people like this are really conspiracy theorists. Any threads along this line should be moved to the conspiracy section...

Anyway I agree with the rest of your post....
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To Skept and Vlaam.

I have a Daughter, if she met and wanted to marry a Palestinian or a person of any ethnic background, I would be happy for her.

Would you be the same with your child?


I live in a very multi ethnic part of the Uk, I love it, it adds "spice" to my life,

Would you, or do you live in an area like I do, and do you like it?


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I dislike his current followers what about you?

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I was refering to this: "Israel misuses the Holocaust as a cover to do what they actually want: more imperialistic takeovers of Palestinian land."

While I don't disagree with you that many believe that Israel wants to take over so-called Palestinian land...that is simply Arab/Pal/Muslim propaganda, the old adage that a lie will get halfway around the world before the truth gets his shoes on. But what is this bull-oney that talks about "Israel misusing the Holocaust?" Anyway it is clear from the rest of his/her posts that s/he is a Holocaust-denier in sheep's clothing, thus to be ignored as people like this are really conspiracy theorists. Any threads along this line should be moved to the conspiracy section...

Anyway I agree with the rest of your post....
What a joke I've never denied the Holocaust ....
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What a joke I've never denied the Holocaust ....
Thats fine, but would you care to answer my questions to you in post number 33?

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To Skept and Vlaam.

I have a Daughter, if she met and wanted to marry a Palestinian or a person of any ethnic background, I would be happy for her.

Would you be the same with your child?


I live in a very multi ethnic part of the Uk, I love it, it adds "spice" to my life,

Would you, or do you live in an area like I do, and do you like it?


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I dislike his current followers what about you?
I know this wasn't addressed to me, but I would caution my daughter very much regarding marrying a Muslim man, wherever he is from. In general the status of women in Islam is not what I would want for my daughter. This has nothing to do with bigotry or racism, but the simple facts of the nature and culture of Islam.

(I am an American living also in a multi-ethnic area, which I do enjoy)

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I agree, bombing a mcdonalds with innocent civilians in it is not the right way to get your land back. Israel is much stronger than the palestinian countries around it and killing civilians is not going to work. Israel has proved their dominence several times and until the palestinians can work peacefully, Israle has no responsibility to listen to them.
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I know this wasn't addressed to me, but I would caution my daughter very much regarding marrying a Muslim man, wherever he is from. In general the status of women in Islam is not what I would want for my daughter. This has nothing to do with bigotry or racism, but the simple facts of the nature and culture of Islam.

(I am an American living also in a multi-ethnic area, which I do enjoy)

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http://throughamericaneyes.blogspot....servative.html
I understand your concern, and I do not mind you as intrerlectually capable person answering ( I was talking about a marriage in the uk where daddy would keep an eye out) what I was trying to do was confirm my thoughts that these two people are, well I think you know.


The lack of response I think proves it!
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Really, Israel is just such a small patch of dirt. It belongs to the Jews who have been dispossessed of the land more than once in the last 2 or 3 thousand years. It now belongs to them again. Let them have it. If there are any Palestinians or Arabs or Muslims who can't live with the Jews, let them depart from Israel, and the Golan Heights, Gaza and the West Bank for that matter. There is plenty of land, plenty of Arab countries, plenty of Islamic countries from which they can choose. Jews have only one Jewish country. It's theirs, they have earned it, and they have paid for it in blood more so than any other people in history.

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Really, Israel is just such a small patch of dirt. It belongs to the Jews who have been dispossessed of the land more than once in the last 2 or 3 thousand years. It now belongs to them again. Let them have it. If there are any Palestinians or Arabs or Muslims who can't live with the Jews, let them depart from Israel, and the Golan Heights, Gaza and the West Bank for that matter. There is plenty of land, plenty of Arab countries, plenty of Islamic countries from which they can choose. Jews have only one Jewish country. It's theirs, they have earned it, and they have paid for it in blood more so than any other people in history.

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If land should have been giving to them, it should have been in germany
Well Maybe. But Germany isn't where the Jews come from (though many lived there in the first half of the 20th century). Don't forget that Jerusalem and the surrounds has housed Jews for forever. In the Bible it mentions Jerusalem over 600 times! (and despite the fact that it is supposed to be holy to Muslims as well, it is NOT MENTIONED ONCE BY NAME in the Koran). The Bible says that Abraham bought a patch of dirt in Hebron, and there have been Jews there since forever as well. Forget not that there have always been Jews in the middle east, in Egypt, in Yemen, in Iraq, in Iran, and throughout Palestine and Gaza, before they were thrown out by the Arabs. There were even Jews in Saudi Arabia before Mohammed came in and killed some of them and since the recent Arabs threw out their Jews. So why shouldn't they have a home in the region? And why shouldn't they be able to make the rules in their own country, to decide who can immigrate and who can live there? Arabs do so in their countries, don't they?
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