Palestinian loss of Land 1946-2000 - Page 7

i.beletesri · #61 (**permalink**) 04-09-2008, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SKeptiKos Examiner

What are facts? Can you even tell? What constitutes the difference between facts and non-facts? Just because someone dude being on someone payroll claims things those who pay him want to hear does not make it factual. Most of established history is a lie and so are a good deal of science and medicine.

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Every Source is "Jew controlled" to you unless it's hate site- Your ONLY Zites.

Even Arab sites don't allow those Hate links You post. <<<Personal Attack Removed>>>

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Thus you go 'ad adsurdem' saying "what are facts"- because you know None of them.

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USraeli universities full of Jewish professors you consider to be unbiased and reliable sources?

Actually I'd give universities only a 50-50 or Less-- but there is a Mainstream Press.. most of the world is not controlled by JOOOOOOOOOOS.
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You Reject everything but Jewwatch, and David Duke- the Scum of the planet<<<Personal Attack Removed>>>
You are completely UNable to discuss this section topic and anything about Israel.

If I use 'wikipedia' you accuse that as equivalent to your Neo-Nazi links.
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Pseudo-superior Zionazis and their alternative reality are even better! Mongrels unable to produce anything on their own believing themselves to be superior to everyone else. And I'm an Indo-Europe, or Aryan if you like. My ancestors invented real language, created science, philosophy, poetry, the arts, and build and advanced civilization.

<<<Personal Attack Removed>>> It was the now gone leader Adolph who Outlawed IQ tests- those pesky Jews were embarrassing his Aryan/HUN fantasy.

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<<<Personal Attack Removed>>>Israelis have no integrity. Israeli mentality is based on the bible and the Talmud and in both there is no word for integrity nor is there even one example of integrity to be found. Not even one! Rebecca and her son, Jacob, cheated Issac who was old and blind and but neither Rebecca nor Jacob was punished for their treachery. King David slept with a married woman, Bat Sheva , got her pregnant, had her husband killed by sending him into battle and then married her. Neither King David nor Bat Sheva was punished for their perfidy. In fact, the opposite happened: King David lived a long life and Bat Sheva became his queen. That is the Jewish way!

Treachery is the mark of the man or woman. Integrity is for fools and dolts. That was Jews believe and that is the reason why I do not believe in your sources and "facts". Till 1997, till the Hebrew university in Israel invented one, there was not even a Hebrew word for integrity! The new word, which was not adopted by the generell population btw, is "YOSHRA" I believe.

The above just quoted for the record.
You really can't read anything that bigoted, nor Nuts, even on Stormfront.

And I might add again, <<<Personal Attack Removed>>>- you can't discuss anything.
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sunnyside · #62 (**permalink**) 04-10-2008, 11:11 AM

So many personal attacks......

Careful you must be. Banning down that road lies.

PatriotNews · #63 (**permalink**) 04-10-2008, 11:49 AM

Map of Israel in 1000 to 925 B.C.:

And your map 1946 to 2000:

Looks like the Israelis have a ways to go before they get all their land back.

sunnyside · #64 (**permalink**) 04-10-2008, 12:46 PM

Ah the tendancy for all people to claim that "their" land is the maximum extent that their culture ever conqured.

Also I'm curious what the source is for that map. It obviously isn't a map from that time. So it's some historian or other trying to piece things together.

concheet · #65 (**permalink**) 04-10-2008, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by i.beletesri

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Every Source is "Jew controlled" to you unless it's hate site- Your ONLY Zites.

Even Arab sites don't allow those Hate links You post. <<<Personal Attack Removed>>>

<<<Personal Attack Removed>>><<<Personal Attack Removed>>><<<Personal Attack Removed>>>
Thus you go 'ad adsurdem' saying "what are facts"- because you know None of them.

Actually I'd give universities only a 50-50 or Less-- but there is a Mainstream Press.. most of the world is not controlled by JOOOOOOOOOOS.
<<<Personal Attack Removed>>>

You Reject everything but Jewwatch, and David Duke- the Scum of the planet<<<Personal Attack Removed>>>
You are completely UNable to discuss this section topic and anything about Israel.

If I use 'wikipedia' you accuse that as equivalent to your Neo-Nazi links.
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<<<Personal Attack Removed>>> It was the now gone leader Adolph who Outlawed IQ tests- those pesky Jews were embarrassing his Aryan/HUN fantasy.

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The above just quoted for the record.
You really can't read anything that bigoted, nor Nuts, even on Stormfront.

And I might add again, <<<Personal Attack Removed>>>- you can't discuss anything.
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Take out the personal attacks, lol. ... and I couldn't agree more!

concheet · #66 (**permalink**) 04-10-2008, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeptikos Examiner

What nonsense! Jews in Iran live peaceful and freely without any danger or restrictions! And Jews in Palestine did live peacefully among Muslims and Christians till the radical Eastern Jews with their Zionist agenda came and brought war and hate to the holy land!

Amazing ignorance -- who brought what to whom? Of course you won't read this because it was most likely written by a Jooo. Since you are a self-professed "Aryan" German, I guess you learned about anti-semitism at your gran'daddy's knee?

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At various times, Jews in Muslim lands were able to live in relative peace and thrive culturally and economically. The position of the Jews was never secure, however, and changes in the political or social climate would often lead to persecution, violence and death. Jews were generally viewed with contempt by their Muslim neighbors; peaceful coexistence between the two groups involved the subordination and degradation of the Jews.

When Jews were perceived as having achieved too comfortable a position in Islamic society, anti-Semitism would surface, often with devastating results: On December 30, 1066, Joseph HaNagid, the Jewish vizier of Granada, Spain, was crucified by an Arab mob that proceeded to raze the Jewish quarter of the city and slaughter its 5,000 inhabitants. The riot was incited by Muslim preachers who had angrily objected to what they saw as inordinate Jewish political power.

Similarly, in 1465, Arab mobs in Fez slaughtered thousands of Jews, leaving only 11 alive, after a Jewish deputy vizier treated a Muslim woman in "an offensive manner." The killings touched off a wave of similar massacres throughout Morocco.(6)

Other mass murders of Jews in Arab lands occurred in Morocco in the 8th century, where whole communities were wiped out by Muslim ruler Idris I; North Africa in the 12th century, where the Almohads either forcibly converted or decimated several communities; Libya in 1785, where Ali Burzi Pasha murdered hundreds of Jews; Algiers, where Jews were massacred in 1805, 1815 and 1830 and Marrakesh, Morocco, where more than 300 hundred Jews were murdered between 1864 and 1880.(7)

Decrees ordering the destruction of synagogues were enacted in Egypt and Syria (1014, 1293-4, 1301-2), Iraq (854-859, 1344) and Yemen (1676). Despite the Koran's prohibition, Jews were forced to convert to Islam or face death in Yemen (1165 and 1678 ), Morocco (1275, 1465 and 1790-92) and Baghdad (1333 and 1344).( 8 )

As distinguished Orientalist G.E. von Grunebaum has written:

It would not be difficult to put together the names of a very sizeable number of Jewish subjects or citizens of the Islamic area who have attained to high rank, to power, to great financial influence, to significant and recognized intellectual attainment; and the same could be done for Christians. But it would again not be difficult to compile a lengthy list of persecutions, arbitrary confiscations, attempted forced conversions, or pogroms.(9)

The situation of Jews in Arab lands reached a low point in the 19th century. Jews in most of North Africa (including Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Morocco) were forced to live in ghettos. In Morocco, which contained the largest Jewish community in the Islamic Diaspora, Jews were made to walk barefoot or wear shoes of straw when outside the ghetto. Even Muslim children participated in the degradation of Jews, by throwing stones at them or harassing them in other ways. The frequency of anti-Jewish violence increased, and many Jews were executed on charges of apostasy. Ritual murder accusations against the Jews became commonplace in the Ottoman Empire.(10)

By the twentieth century, the status of the dhimmi in Muslim lands had not significantly improved. H.E.W. Young, British Vice Consul in Mosul, wrote in 1909:

The attitude of the Muslims toward the Christians and the Jews is that of a master towards slaves, whom he treats with a certain lordly tolerance so long as they keep their place. Any sign of pretension to equality is promptly repressed.(11)

The danger for Jews became even greater as a showdown approached in the UN over partition in 1947. The Syrian delegate, Faris el-Khouri, warned: "Unless the Palestine problem is settled, we shall have difficulty in protecting and safeguarding the Jews in the Arab world."(12)

More than a thousand Jews were killed in anti-Jewish rioting during the 1940's in Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria and Yemen.(13) This helped trigger the mass exodus of Jews from Arab countries.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...nds_(gen).html

concheet · #67 (**permalink**) 04-10-2008, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeptikos Examiner
What nonsense! Jews in Iran live peaceful and freely without any danger or restrictions!

Really? Here's another JOOO who has a different take on it. Oh yeah since it's a JOOO you might not want to bother to read it.

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Former State Department official Martin Indyk was recently quoted on Israel Radio as saying that Israel’s ambassador to the United States was wrong to compare Ahmadinejad to Adolf Hitler. According to Indyk, “the fact that 25,000 Jews live largely unharmed in Iran means Nazi parallels are inappropriate.”

Last month, former Pentagon official Dov Zakheim spoke in similar terms. In a Sept. 12 New York Times column by Nicholas Kristof, arguing against any U.S. military strike on Iran, Zakheim was quoted as saying “that Iran doesn’t treat its 20,000 Jews as wretchedly as its rhetoric would suggest.” Kristof then added: “Iran continues to be home to more Jews than any Middle Eastern country save Israel.”

These commentators are wrong. The size of the community in Iran is not proof that the Jews are well-treated.

Sometimes factors such as family ties, poverty or hope for a change in government are sufficient to persuade people to stay in a country where they are mistreated. Recall that in 1937 — fully four years after Hitler’s rise to power — Germany was still home to more Jews than any other West European country. That wasn’t because they enjoyed Hitler’s rule.

In the case of Iran, one must also consider the extent to which emigration is even possible. The State Department’s 2006 report on international religious freedom found that Jews “often are denied the multiple-exit permits normally issued to other citizens. With the exception of certain business travelers, the authorities require Jews to obtain clearance and pay additional fees before each trip abroad. The government appears concerned about the emigration of Jewish citizens and permission generally is not granted for all members of a Jewish family to travel outside the country at the same time.”

By contrast, Nazi Germany in the 1930s actively encouraged Jews to emigrate. The problem was that other countries were unwilling to open their doors to Jewish refugees. As World Zionist Organization president Chaim Weizmann once put it: “The world is divided into countries in which the Jews cannot live and countries which they must not enter.”

Are the Jews in Iran “relatively unharmed,” as Martin Indyk claims? Perhaps that depends on what he means by “relatively.” The State Department’s report states that during the past year, “there was a further deterioration of the extremely poor status of respect for religious freedom” in Iran. Jews and other minorities were “targets of government harassment” and victims of “the government’s harsh and oppressive treatment.” They “suffer varying degrees of officially sanctioned discrimination, particularly in the areas of employment, education and housing.”

“Every Iranian Jew who had the financial possibility or courage has already left,” and those who remain behind are living in fear, according to Iranian-born Menashe Amir, the host of a Persian-language radio show that Israel beams to Iran. In a recent interview, Amir said that “While there are Jewish schools, the principals and most of the teachers are Muslim, the Bible is taught in Farsi [Persian], not in Hebrew, and the schools are forced to open on Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath. So while the regime declares that there is freedom of religion, it is all just for the sake of appearances.”

The interviewer added: “Jewish leaders are reluctant to draw attention to incidences of mistreatment of their community, due to fear of government reprisal, along with fear of being arrested or accused of being spies.” They have not forgotten how 13 Iranian Jews were jailed in 1999 on trumped-up espionage charges. It was only after an intense international protest campaign that they were finally freed after several years of brutal incarceration.

Amir pointed out that local Jews are often compelled by the regime to issue statements supporting Iran’s nuclear policy or denouncing Israeli actions. In many ways, then, Iranian Jewry is a captive community.

Of course, Iran in 2006 is not exactly the same as Germany in 1936. And it is important to be cautious about comparing one’s opponent to Hitler or the Nazis. Such analogies usually have the unintended effect of minimizing the horrors of the Nazi regime and grossly exaggerating the misdeeds of the person who is the subject of the comparison. They have been invoked too often in recent political debates in the United States.

But in the case of an anti-Semitic dictator who sponsors suicide-bomb massacres of Israelis and threatens to wipe the Jewish state off the face of the earth, one need not rush to give him the benefit of the doubt. Besides, why assume that President Ahmadinejad objects to being compared to Hitler? He might even consider it a compliment.

Rafael Medoff is director of the David S. Wyman Institute for Holocaust Studies, www.WymanInstitute.org

concheet · #68 (**permalink**) 04-10-2008, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeptikos Examiner

What nonsense! Jews in Iran live peaceful and freely without any danger or restrictions! And Jews in Palestine did live peacefully among Muslims and Christians till the radical Eastern Jews with their Zionist agenda came and brought war and hate to the holy land! Muslims in Israel are no citizen but what we in Germany call "Nutzview", cattle, they have no rights, can not buy property, are not allowed to build houses, and are constantly being insulted by the the Jews who hate them. Israel jas Jew-only schools, Jew-only roads, and Jew-only settlements. It's infact the last apartheids regime in existence.

I don't suppose you can source any of that lying tirade from a reputable source? Of course not!

on the lie of Muslims not being allowed to buy property (oh and I don't know if this guy is Jewish or not but he sure sounds like he knows what he's talking about, unlike some posters here:
http://www.meforum.org/article/370

concheet · #69 (**permalink**) 04-10-2008, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeptikos Examiner View Post
Muslims in Israel are no citizen but what we in Germany call "Nutzview", cattle, they have no rights,can not buy property, are not allowed to build houses, and are constantly being insulted by the the Jews who hate them. Israel jas Jew-only schools, Jew-only roads, and Jew-only settlements. It's infact the last apartheids regime in existence.

We dumped the "not allowed to buy property" lie. Here is the debunk for the "no rights" assertion that Muslims are like cattle to Jews who provide them with NO RIGHTS:

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ARABS AND MUSLIMS IN ISRAEL

The freest Arabs, Christians, Jews and Muslims in Mideast are Israelis
Arabs in Israel have equal rights under the law
Arabs in Israel can vote for whoever they want
Arabs in Israel can worship freely
Arabs in Israel are entitled to the full same state education as all other Israelis
Arabs are members of the Israeli parliament and ministers in the government

Israeli society gives more opportunity to Arabs than do Arab states to their own citizens. Israeli Arabs and Muslims have the right to vote and to hold public office, like every other Israeli citizen. Nearly one-10th of the Knesset, Israel's parliament, is Arab; there is a mosque in the Knesset building for those who are Muslim. One of the justices of Israel's Supreme Court is an Arab Muslim; so is a minister in the Israeli cabinet. Arabs are active in Israeli commerce, media, education, and law. For headstrong Arabs, bent on protest, Israel is in every respect a paradise compared with any other state in the Middle East.

Arab Israeli wins Maccabiah gold
Arabs volunteer for combat units of the Israel Defense Forces
Arab security guard a 'hero for the State of Israel'
Arab student wins Zionism contest

One-third of Arab households in Israel get government support as their main source of income
A secure and prosperous Israel benefits Arabs: over 100,000 illegal aliens have left Arab lands to reside in Israel

Arabs in Israel vote. They elect leaders to the Knesset [Israeli parliament]. They have their own political parties. They have their own newspapers. They have full rights to citizenship. They are free to speak their minds. As an Arab-American journalist who has spent a good deal of time covering the region, I can tell you there is more freedom for Arabs in Israel than in any Arab state." --Joseph Farrar

The freest Arabs in the Middle East: List of 12 Arab members of 15th Israeli Parliament (out of 120 MPs in the 15th Knesset).

The sole Arab parties in the Middle East participating in free elections send members to the Israeli parliament (where they use the Western freedom of speech to criticize Israel and can praise Iran and 22 Arab police regimes). The only freely elected Arab parliamentarians in the Middle East are members of the Israeli Parliament - in Jerusalem. The only court in the Middle East from which an Arab or a Muslim can expect justice is the Israeli Supreme Court - in Jerusalem - which is one of the most highly regarded in the world. Israel is the only place in the Middle East where an Arab or Muslim can freely criticize his government.

List of 28 parties running in the elections for the 16th Israeli Parliament (Jan 28, 2003), including 4 Arab parties and other parties with an "Arab" agenda or Arab candidates

The Jerusalem Times is published by Palestinians in Jerusalem - under Israeli rule. So are Al-Quds, Palestine Report, and others. Ironically, the only free Arab press in the Middle East is published in Israel. The Israeli freedom of speech allows Palestinian journalists to criticize Israel and praise Arab police states, tyrannies and theocracies.

Freedom of Religion?

Moslems at Al-Aksa Mosque in Israeli capital Jerusalem

Read more here:
http://www.middle-east-info.org/gate...rael/index.htm

concheet · #70 (**permalink**) 04-10-2008, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeptikos Examiner View Post
Muslims in Israel are no citizen but what we in Germany call "Nutzview", cattle, they have no rights, can not buy property, are not allowed to build houses, and are constantly being insulted by the the Jews who hate them. Israel jas Jew-only schools, Jew-only roads, and Jew-only settlements. It's infact the last apartheids regime in existence.

Let's talk about those Jew-only roads. Please demonstrate with some evidence like this one:

Surely you understand that you are spreading lying propaganda for which you have ZERO EVIDENCE? Doesn't this BOTHER YOU? Are you a Muslim that you are indulging in takeyya? Perhaps you are one of the 3,049,625 Muslims in Germany?

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