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An Islamist and Fascist Nexus?

MEQ: Would you use the term Islamo-fascism to describe this threat?

Sifaoui: I certainly am one of the first Muslims to consider Islamism to be fascism. This is not a subjective decision but rather a serious, academic argument. Fascism and Islamism are comparable in many aspects: Fascism, without evoking all its particularities, bears similarities to trends also present in Islamism. I am, of course, making a reference to their will to exterminate the Jews. On this point, the Islamists may go even further in their doctrine than the Nazis did, considering that the end of the world could only occur when there are no Jews left on earth. In the three monotheist religions, apocalypse, end of the world, and doomsday exist and are liturgical events invested with a high degree of spirituality. Hence, the Islamists interpret the end of the world in a very special way. Whereas it is written nowhere in the Qur'an, exegetes describe the end of the world as the day when even the trees and rocks will be able to talk and tell the Muslims: "Come here, there is a Jew hiding behind me. Come and kill him." And this would go on, until there would not be any Jew left on earth. This ideology is pure fascism.

MEQ: Are there other similarities?

Sifaoui: The will to exterminate or do harm to homosexuals is another similarity between Nazism and Islamism. The Islamists, also, say that they are the best community in the world, a superior race thanks to their beliefs. They use political means to arrive at this erroneous exegesis. I do not fear to call it fascism. And there are many more similarities between fascism and Islamism.
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Sifaoui: Of course, it does. If the majority of Muslims were not moderate, Islamists would have destroyed the Western world a long time ago. Despite its technological lead, its nuclear power, and all its armies, the Western world would never be able to face an Islamist world entirely convinced by the terrorist cause. One billion people supporting Al-Qaeda would reduce the rest of the world to ashes. Islam contains violent texts that need not be applicable today. Islam is a religion of moderation. I know because I studied theology for four years.

Perhaps 20 percent of Muslims on the planet must be totally reeducated. We have to fight them politically, ideologically, and also militarily. Western societies do not fight them well; whenever they try to do so, they end up strengthening them.
20% of Muslims must be totally reeducated. Man is that ever a lot! 1.5 BILLION Muslims ( http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html ) Especially for the poor Jews, whose adherents are less than 1% of Muslims. Neat how they pick on such a small population of people. That is one of the reasons for the "Jewish" or "Zionist" conspiracy theories. By pretending that the Jews are more powerful than they really are, it makes the Islamists look less like the bullies they really are. The Christians need to stand with the atheists in order to "fight them politically, ideologically, and also militarily." After all, we are all 'infidels.'
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Another crypto-Jew spreading anti-Muslim propaganda! It's getting old! We all know that Zionism is the real fascism!
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What is a crypto-Jew and are there crypto-Muslims as well?

Why don't you demonstrate how Zionism is " the real fascism" instead of simply asserting what "we all know..."

Obviously we don't ALL know, or I wouldn't have been able to post the article.
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The muslims also want to kill all the Christians, if they don't convert or submit to slavery. Further, they want to kill me as well, an agnostic. Their non-discriminate killers after all- children, women, old people, priests, anything thats different, even different brand islamotards.
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Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.
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The muslims also want to kill all the Christians, if they don't convert or submit to slavery. Further, they want to kill me as well, an agnostic. Their non-discriminate killers after all- children, women, old people, priests, anything thats different, even different brand islamotards.
i think you watched that in a hollywood movies ..
cuz i've a christian friend and my neighbor is a christian too .. for example at my country ther's 10 % of people are christians , they live with us in peace , my teachr was christian .. we visit them and they too .. ther's no problem in it
please try to read more about islam from truth sources and don't depend on movies cuz it's not real
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Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.
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i think you watched that in a hollywood movies ..
cuz i've a christian friend and my neighbor is a christian too .. for example at my country ther's 10 % of people are christians , they live with us in peace , my teachr was christian .. we visit them and they too .. ther's no problem in it
please try to read more about islam from truth sources and don't depend on movies cuz it's not real
Really? That's nice about your neighbor and your christian(sic) friend... and such. But explain the following if you would (or can). I didn't get it from TV or movies but from a group called CHRISTIAN SOLIDARITY WORLDWIDE. I sure would like to get your take on the following. It looks as if the Christians there don't think they 'live in peace' or that 'ther's no problem in it.'


EGYPT

BIO The Coptic Orthodox church is the largest in Egypt and the entire Middle East. It is approximately 7-10 million strong (10% of the population), but since the church in Egypt is not allowed to carry out an official census, accurate figures are difficult to ascertain. The Egyptian Church faces persecution and hardship in a number of spheres:

Law
The distinction between civil law and Shar'ia (Islamic Law) in Egypt has been deliberately eroded over the years. Significantly, in 1980, the National Assembly accepted an amendment to the Constitution, designating Shar'ia as “the…principal source of legislation” instead of “a…prin-iple source of legislation”.

Government Positions and Employment
Egypt’s Coptic community is poorly represented in the higher levels of government, in the military and in senior teaching positions. Out of 28 Egyptian governors, none are Christian and there are no Christian ambassadors, heads of universities or deans. The country’s People’s Assembly contains just seven Copts, only three of whom are elected—a gross under-representation.
Education
Coptic Christians are not able to attend the famous Al-Azhar University in Cairo. The Coptic language is not taught at Universities and the Coptic era in Egyptian history has been omitted in school history lessons, until this year, where it has been taught in state schools for the first time. The Koran is often used to teach the Arabic language to students, including Christians, and Arabic language teachers are Muslim. Every school has a mosque, but no similar places of prayer exist for Christians.

Church construction


State control of church property is governed by the outdated Ottoman Hamayouni Decree of 1856, amplified by the Interior Ministry in 1934 as the Alazabi Decree. This decree sets out certain restrictive conditions which must be met before a church can be built. It additionally requires the signature of the President before construction can commence. No such signature is required in order to build a mosque.

Conversion
Individuals who convert from Islam to Christianity face discrimination and violence from their family, Muslim neighbors, or the state police. Furthermore, a Muslim wife is required to divorce an apostate husband; converts from Islam lose all inheritance rights; they also lose custody of their children and they are unable to change their religious affiliation on state identity cards. No similar legal consequences befall converts from Christianity to Islam.

Recent examples of religious intolerance against Christians

The past decade has seen a rise in violent attacks by Islamic extremists, followed by severe government crackdowns on their activity in an attempt to put an end to the violence and to regain control. Unfortunately, violence against Christians still continues but state police and/or Muslim mobs are increasingly becoming the perpetrators. Such violence has gone unpunished by the Egyptian legal system in recent years.

In January 2000, in El-Kosheh village, Upper Egypt, 21 Coptic Christians were killed over the course of a few days’ rioting. The General Prosecutor’s report of his investigation into the incident blames the massacre on delinquent elements within both the Muslim and Christian communities, disappointing Egypt’s Coptic Christians who note that all except one of the casualties of the violence were Christians. Concern has also been expressed that no police officers were detained or interrogated, despite the testimony of Copts regarding police negligence and complicity in the violence.

Finally, in a verdict handed down on February 5, 2001, an Egyptian court acquitted all but four of the ninety-six people charged with crimes relating to the violence. None were convicted with murder. This verdict outraged Egyptian Christians and human rights activists all over the world. However, a request to appeal the verdict has been successful and the case will be retried.

In June 2000, Coptic Christian, William Shaiboub Arsal, was sentenced to 15 years with hard labor for the murder of two Christian men in El-Kosheh village in August 1998. The murders were the catalyst for the notorious El-Kosheh incident (since dubbed El-Kosheh I), in which over 1000 local Coptic Christians were detained by police, despite the fact that three Muslim men were identified as responsible. Many of those detained were tortured by local police officers, including William, who was first taken into custody on September 17, 1998. He was hung upside down by his feet, beaten, tied to a chair and given electric shocks to sensitive parts of his body.

William Shaiboub’s lawyers have confirmed that his verdict is being appealed at the Egyptian Court of Cassation. In the meantime, William remains in prison.

What is common to both these episodes is that police negligence and complicity has gone unquestioned and unpunished. Egypt’s Christian community is understandably feeling very vulnerable and inadequately protected by national law.

Overall Human Rights Situation

Major human rights organizations continue to report the systematic use of torture by police and security forces to obtain confessions. Prisoners of conscience continue to be sentenced and held. Political parties, NGOs and the news media continue to face legal restrictions and government control.

In May 1999, a law regulating civil institutions including NGOs was passed by the Egyptian Parliament. This imposed a wide range of restrictive conditions, including criminal penalties for offenses that might amount to no more than the exercise of freedom of association.

http://www.cswusa.com/Countries/Egypt.htm
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but you have to know that some informations you post here not real

for example we have 3 christians ministres , one of the richest in egypt is mr Naguib Sweras and there are many richs chritians here , in my life i never meet a poor one except only one i met him for 3 years but you can't know how millions muslim is poor
( The past decade has seen a rise in violent attacks by Islamic extremists, followed by severe government crackdowns on their activity in an attempt to put an end to the violence and to regain control. Unfortunately, violence against Christians still continues but state police and/or Muslim mobs are increasingly becoming the perpetrators. Such violence has gone unpunished by the Egyptian legal system in recent years.)

The past decade , this period of violent was against the government not against christians or other's and many but you have to know that some informations you post here not real

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- the egyptian's government is not islamic government to accuse them of this oppression cuz it's laymen's system

- muslims are oppressing politically in Egypt and thousands of egyptians placed at the prison accused of political issues
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(Arrest raids launched by the Egyptian authorities have resumed today dawn (March 3, 200 in nearly 6 governorates in which the State security forces arrested dozens of Muslim Brotherhood (MB) affiliates to prevent the MB from fielding candidates in the coming municipal elections)
this arrest repeated daily against this muslim brotherhood , the biggest political movement
thousands of them placed prison

- if a christian one treated bad , it will be a catastrophe but if a muslim one killed it will be nothing .. that's not legal
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please try to read what you copy and paste well and understand it if it was the truth or not
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The past decade , this period of violent was against the government not against christians or other's and many but you have to know that some informations you post here not real
Perhaps the Egyptian press is not free and you do not know the truth about what is going on.
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- the egyptian's government is not islamic government to accuse them of this oppression cuz it's laymen's system

- muslims are oppressing politically in Egypt and thousands of egyptians placed at the prison accused of political issues
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(Arrest raids launched by the Egyptian authorities have resumed today dawn (March 3, 200 in nearly 6 governorates in which the State security forces arrested dozens of Muslim Brotherhood (MB) affiliates to prevent the MB from fielding candidates in the coming municipal elections)
this arrest repeated daily against this muslim brotherhood , the biggest political movement
thousands of them placed prison
The Muslim Brotherhood is a major threat to a free and democratic society. You should be delighted that they are not fielding candidates because their goal is to put all of Egypt under religious 'sharia' law. Then the Christians will really be oppressed there.
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- if a christian one treated bad , it will be a catastrophe but if a muslim one killed it will be nothing .. that's not legal
This is bull and demonstrates your bigotry. I am glad I am not a Christian in your country, or a Jew, for that matter.

PS... If I have said something false, please demonstrate with newspaper articles or other articles valid sources. It is not sufficient to simply make the statement without backing it up with facts. Anecdotal evidence is also insufficient. Thank you in advance.
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