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You can stop with the personal inuendo.
no thanks, i enjoy making my observations at your expense

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You made a statement hyperbolic to the point of disinguenuous comparing Israel's actions to those of Nazi Germany. Now, I realize you simply lift this garbage from various anti Israel hate sites, but YOU were the one who made the statement.

Don't blame me for pointing out how fallacious it was.
it was you who responded to indicate that at some level it is acceptable for the israelis to oppress the Palestinian people, upon whose land those same oppressors now reside
that was in response to my prior observation that the zionists, due to the persecution the jews sustained at the hand of the nazis, have taken license to similarly persecure another culture. no anti-israel hate site required to come up with that factual observation and, not that it matters, but i have no opposition to israel. i am not fond of the right wing extremists who govern it
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Fool, how many times are you going to compare the Jews to the Nazis? They're not exactly the same thing if you didn't notice.
The NaZI's were rigth wing fascists werent they?

Are you saying that these political principles are only exclusively associated with NAZIs?

You sure that you dont wish to retract your statement in public?

Its OKAY - you will not be ridiculed or judged - I am not that sort of person.

You still have time to redeem your position on this this.

Everybody makes mistakes - its OK White FOx.

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The NaZI's were rigth wing fascists werent they?

Are you saying that these political principles are only exclusively associated with NAZIs?

You sure that you dont wish to retract your statement in public?

Its OKAY - you will not be ridiculed or judged - I am not that sort of person.

You still have time to redeem your position on this this.

Everybody makes mistakes - its OK White FOx.

If I was wrong, I would gratefully take back what I said. And I do not mind being ridiculed for the belief that Jews are not anti-Jew.
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tell us spankie, about all of those things that are done on behalf of the Palestinians by the israelis. tell us about these GIFTS
quality of life improvements:
http://www.israel-mfa.gov.il/MFA/Pea...ic%20Relations
http://betbender.blogspot.com/2007/0...s-podcast.html

reality check:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...020201579.html

why we don't help them more:
http://www.forward.com/articles/as-c...nian-deal-isr/
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tell us spankie, about all of those things that are done on behalf of the Palestinians by the israelis. tell us about these GIFTS

spankie: quality of life improvements:
http://www.israel-mfa.gov.il/MFA/Pea...ic%20Relations
a 10 year old propaganda piece from the israeli ministry

here is one of the headline articles in that pro-israeli blog:
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Three Israeli air strikes and a raid in the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip on Tuesday killed three Hamas militants and two Palestinian civilians, local medical workers and the Islamist group said.

ah, krauthammer - jewish fellow i bet - offers up this 2006 opinion:
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The world must impress upon the Palestinians that there are consequences for their choices. [choice referred to was democratic election of hamas instead of their beloved fatah] And so long as they choose rejectionism -- the source of a 60-year conflict the Israelis have long been ready to resolve -- the world will not continue to support and subsidize them.
And that means cutting off Hamas completely: no recognition, no negotiation, no aid, nothing. And not just assistance to a Hamas government but all assistance.
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here is guttman - any chance he is not jewish - offering up a report of a visit by condi to israel to address the Palestinian issue:
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When it was time for questions, Morton Klein, head of the Zionist Organization of America and a staunch opponent of concessions to the Palestinians, stood up and lectured [ambassador] Jones about extremism in the P.A. under Abbas, including terrorism and incitement in the media and in text books. “On the basis of this, Ambassador Jones, how can you call Abbas a moderate?” Klein concluded.
The reaction, according to several participants, was telling of the views of current Jewish leadership.
“They all broke out in applause,” Klein said, “Ambassador Jones was stunned.”
please note klein's harsh comments were about abbas, the person israel and the USA want to represent the Palestinian insterests in discussions - NOT the elected hamas representative of the Palestinian people

so, spankie ... couldn't you find anyone smart to help you out with your assignment to identify those GIFTS to the Palestinian people that you advertised were given by israel
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Since you've done a great job of hilighting the problem.... what's your solution? Should we simply return to the good old days of gassing Jews then?

I mean, the Nazi's almost did the job. Got any ideas on how to be more efficient?
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A Pro-Zionist flooding and SPAM in order to distract the public from what ISRAEL gets up to in the Stolen Occupied Palestinian Territories.
You mean the ones stolen from the Jews by the Romans?


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Since you've done a great job of hilighting the problem.... what's your solution? Should we simply return to the good old days of gassing Jews then?

I mean, the Nazi's almost did the job. Got any ideas on how to be more efficient?
actually i do
we should mind our own business and leave other nations to resolve their differences. want us to mediate, certainly. want us to underwrite your military operation, no. that goes for saudi arabia just as it does for israel. (and germany, japan, south korea, etc.) admittedly, to do that overnight would create a massive power vacuum, which might be filled by those with whom we disagree, not unlike hamas prevailing in the election against fatah, so we should be deliberate in our retrenchment from acting as an imperialistic power to taking care of ourselves. (do not read this to understand me advocating for isolationism because i don't ... we should remain active in world trade and diplomacy efforts.) our nation's military and our country's credit card have long been over-extended.
being without uncle sugar as a supportive nanny, israel could try to continue to bully its arab neighbors by exploiting the fear of its superior force, but i think that nation's people are too smart to allow that to happen. israel will be forced to co-exist for its OWN purposes. to co-exist means it will have to become reasonable in its dealings with the other tribes of the middle east, including the Palestinians
those tribes have been involved in conflict for almost forever; while having little knowledge of the Bible, i do seem to recall repeated references to smiting going on by competing forces. that may likely continue, but let it continue without our involvement (excepting our service as mediators if negotiators request that non-military, non-judicial contribution)
while we may not be in a position to fix the problems of others neither will we be found to blame for their warring condition, and importantly, we will stop this massive loss of American soldiers' lives, treasure and international reputation

these are the musings of an older fellow who now has adult children he no longer has to raise but continues to be there to assit if they seek guidance (or a loan). you may see a similarity to that condition and my proposal, offered above. maybe our nation's position in the world has changed relative to the others just as mine has relative to my kids. but that's just me. if i am so smart why am i sitting here typing a post in reply to a person whose avatar is a bird?
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Since you've done a great job of hilighting the problem.... what's your solution? Should we simply return to the good old days of gassing Jews then?

I mean, the Nazi's almost did the job. Got any ideas on how to be more efficient?

Dont be ridiculous - surely we have moved on from those barbaric and immoral times.

And we also need to reduce greenhouse gases too

(and CO2 re-sequestration technology is decades away from being a viable option to curb gobal warming)
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Wrong there too brother.

1. The Last self-Governing country on that Land was 'Israel'.. before the Romans conquered it and Renamed it 'Palestina'.
The Most Notable/relevant Rulers/Sovereign the Ottomans for the 400 years until 1917- and there was NO palestine then either- just 3 sanjaks of that Empire.

Palestinians weren't even a 'people' when they were given/Refused a state in 1948.. just some Ottoman leftovers that didn't become 'Jordanians', Egyptians, 'Lebanese', or Israelis.

If you Said 'Palestinian' in 1900, or 1920, 1940, or even up until about 1960.. you were talking about a JEW.

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*arab Kanaaon ,who is grandfathers's palestinians ,is the first people live in palestine 3000 bc
*palestinians are great people whom mixture between kanaaon and palestin
*jew come to palestine as invaders , and they not still long in palestine
*palestinian people incuding muslims ,christians and jews
* jew are relgion , there is no people called jew ,this relgion have fellowers live in all countries
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