blame the chinese

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if saudi arabia really wanted to be helpfeull,
they'd warn iran to stop interfering in iraq.
not that saudi arabia has the muscle to intimidate anyone.
if they did, they wouldn't need us there to protect them.

saudi arabia pisses me off.
being allied with them is an embarassment to the US.
instead of pulling out of iraq,
we should pull out of saudi arabia and let the country take its chances.

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there are no US troops anymore in saudi arabia, i believe. we have moved all of our troops over to the united arab emirates and kuwait as our key area for bases.

saudi arabia is crucial because it is just like india...it is an offset to iran just as india is to china...it stops iran from expanding and taking over everything except for israel and maybe egypt.

the saudi government has become a lot less restrictive in civil liberties in recent years, and while still extremely, they are slowly allowing more rights to its citizens.

saudi arabia, egypt and jordan are the most stable arab middle eastern countries who have shown that they are willing to confront terrorism.

when iraq becomes a world power again that is friendly to the united states and the west, with our troops stationed there, saudi arabia won't be as important...

but, we must continue to ally ourselves with moderate sunnis...their history shows that they are more prone to accept outsiders and embrace outsider beliefs. shi'ite's believe in the hard line muslim tradition. they believe in their imams and the sheiks and that crap.

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Its fine to side with one pack of muslims when its in our advantage and great to sweet talk them and stuff. But, you shouldn't get caught up in foolishly trusting them. They are siding with us because we kick ass, not because they are any more moral than the other muslims.

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Qur'an:8:39 Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.
Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

oh please. that isn't true at all. if you review the history of islam, you will find the sunni tradition as being the more contemporary sect of the religion. they believe in community leaders as their rulers rather than having direct descendants of muhammad...

i see that right there as a core value that each of our societies value. in sunni countries, you don't see religious figures as the key figures. i would rather have a king than a religious sheikh or ayatollah as the main figure of a country.

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Which part of the quran are you saying they do not believe in?

I will never trust any muslims until there is a massive reform movement within islam, which would be very obvious if it happened, which condemns and removes the large sections of their unholy texts that are evil. So far, I see the muslims mostly defending terrorism, regardless of which sect of the evil cult they are in. I don't see them standing with us much until we have guns nearby kicking ass. Strangely enough, our own democrats are moving closer and closer to being just as bad.

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Qur'an:8:39 Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.
Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

They own our oil, for now.

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"It is extremely difficult for our contemporaries to conceive of the conditions of free banking because they take government interference with banking for granted and as necessary"

-- Ludwig von Mises

it goes much deeper than that.

these two sects of muslims are willing to kill each other because of their strong beliefs and the differences between the two.

its not like christianity, where you have catholicism and lutherans (for example) who share different beliefs but believe in the overall same big picture...

sunnis are the United States allies and loyal friends..

we are seeing in Iraq that shi'ite can too.

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Well, they have some work to do to win my trust, but if they prove worthy allies I am all for it. Their priority should be re-writing their religious texts to cleanse them of its evil.

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Qur'an:8:39 Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.
Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

saudi arabia isn't needed to offset anyone.
thats one of the reasons we support israel.
if we're for freedom and democracy,
it's gotta be for everyone.
not just our 'enemies'.
if the people choose to hate us,
so be it.
but having a 'friendly' government in SA hasn't seemed to help us or our image in the region.
sunni or shiite doesn't matter.
15 of the 9/11 hijackers were from 'moderate sunni' saudi arabia.

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