Bush to Arab world: Give citizens more freedoms
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/....ap/index.html
SHARM EL-SHEIK, Egypt (AP) -- At the start of his Mideast trip, President Bush gave Israel glowing praise. As it ended on Sunday, the president gave the Arab world a stern lecture: Isolate state sponsors of terror and give citizens more freedoms.

"Too often in the Middle East, politics has consisted of one leader in power and the opposition in jail," Bush said at the World Economic Forum on the Middle East. "The time has come for nations across the Middle East to abandon these practices, and treat their people with the dignity and respect they deserve."

Bush's address to hundreds of global policymakers and business leaders gathered in this Red Sea beach town was his finishing touch on a five-day Mideast trip to Egypt, Israel and Saudi Arabia.

The speech, and Bush's second Mideast trip of the year, came eight months before the end of his presidency, his target date for reaching a sweeping peace agreement that would resolve generations-old grievances and create a Palestinian state.

The president counseled Arab states to "move past their old resentments against Israel" and "invest aggressively" in the Palestinian people, what he views as their role in the process. In contrast, many Arabs think Bush leans too far Israel's way in the long-running Mideast dispute, and that Washington doesn't push Israel hard enough to give way on issues that anger Palestinians and stymie a deal.

Bush has tried to counter that by talking more about the Palestinians' plight while here in Egypt than he did in Israel. He also offered plenty of praise for democratic advances, naming countries like Turkey, Afghanistan, Iraq, Morocco and Jordan.

"The light of liberty is beginning to shine," he said.

Bush's address was meant by the White House as the twin to president's speech Thursday before the Knesset, the Israeli parliament.

In that speech, Bush showered Israel with praise, strongly reiterated its right to defend itself and only gently urged leaders to "make the hard choices necessary," without mention of concrete steps. He did not mention the Palestinians' plight; he spoke of them only in one sentence saying that Israel's 120th anniversary -- in 2068 -- would see it neighboring an independent Palestinian state.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas told Bush directly about his concerns with the Knesset speech when the two met on Saturday at the Egyptian resort, according to Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat. On Sunday, after meeting with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, Abbas told reporters: "We do not want the Americans to negotiate on our behalf. All that we want from them is to stand by (our) legitimacy ... and have a minimum of neutrality."

Bush's national security adviser, Stephen Hadley, announced that Bush might return for a third, as-yet-unscheduled visit to the region if "there is work for him to advance the peace process." Hadley made clear, though, that actually establishing an independent Palestine would take years.

"The president never said it would be implemented during his term," Hadley said. "What we've wanted to do and what is the president's still his objective is an agreement for a Palestinian state that is the core of a peace agreement between Israelis and Palestinians that would ultimately end the conflict."

To achieve more democratic reform in the region, Bush presented Mideast leaders with a long to-do list: make their economies more diverse, competitive and open to entrepreneurs; enact political reforms that move nations into democratic governments, and not just sham ones; allow freedom of information and rule of law; improve education; ensure greater participation in society for women; and push back against the negative influence of "spoilers" like Iran and Syria.

"There is much to do," he said. "The future is in your hands -- and freedom and peace are within your grasp."

His message was aimed at the countries in the region where the political and civil systems are far from free, including Egypt, the host of the gathering which was almost alone in being singled out for criticism. Delivered in person in the heart of the Middle East, the speech was a follow-up to Bush's promise in his second inaugural address to work in every nation for "ending tyranny in our world." VideoWatch Bush meet with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak »

"I continue to hope that Egypt can lead the region in political reform," he said.

The largest recipient of U.S. aid behind Israel, Egypt has nonetheless seen roller-coaster relations with Washington in recent years.

It held its first presidential elections in 2005. But then the Mubarak government retrenched, by trying several secular newspaper editors, jailing a leading political opposition leader,and waging a heavy crackdown on its strongest domestic opposition, the Muslim Brotherhood.

The president asked the Islamic world to join the United States in its determination to stop Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon. "To allow the world's leading sponsor of terror to gain the world's deadliest weapon would be an unforgivable betrayal of future generations," he said.

The emphasis on Iran reflects Bush's desire to counter Tehran's quest for greater influence in the region. New urgency was added to that task by recent turmoil in Lebanon that the U.S. and many Sunni Arab countries believe has been fomented by Shiite-dominated Iran, as well as Syria.

Bush rebutted what he said are the many arguments from "skeptics about democracy in this part of the world," without specifying who they are. He said democracy is not "a Western value that America seeks to impose on unwilling citizens" and nor is it incompatible with the religion of Islam.

He made clear how he defines democracy.

"Some say any state that holds an election is a democracy," Bush said.

"True democracy," he said, requires "vigorous political parties allowed to engage in free and lively debate," institutions that ensure legitimate elections and accountability for leaders, and an opposition that can campaign "without fear and intimidation."

Bush also devoted considerable attention to the disenfranchisement of women in many Mideast nations. A strong economy can't be built without the participation of the "formidable force" of females, he said.

"This is a matter of morality and of basic math," he said. "No nation that cuts off half its population from opportunities will be as productive or prosperous as it could be."

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Proud American!

Communism/Socialism is similar to legalizing burglary and murder!

I would offer that giving citizens freedom and ushering in democracy are two different matters. Although Iran isn't Arab, it provides an excellent illustration of the dynamics involved, as although the Shah was strong armed, and could be ruthless with his adversaries, individual Iranians (especially women) had MUCH more freedom thirty years ago. Today's theocracy really isn't an expression of democracy per se, but it is a populist movement which is widely supported, and represents the other dominant paradigm for societal functioning in this region.

In a region where a signifigant percentage of the population is married to first or second cousins, and religiosity is extremely high, some of that which we presuppose as being functions of democracy simply do not exist. When dealing with blood ties and religion, whatever 'democracy' that can ensue is only as good as people's ability to actually embrace all the nuances and functions we take for granted. Until then, people will only turn to what they know, which in this region is either a strong armed leader or some sort of theocracy.

So then, perhaps the Shah was a good thing? And theocratic regimes are bad things?

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I'll get nicer when you get smarter.

The Shah was a good thing to some people and a bad thing to others. Same goes with a theocracy.

In the case of Iran, a smaller number of people were oppressed under the Shah, but those who were oppressed were more likely to be jailed or killed. Under the theocracy, far more peole are being oppressed, but somewhat fewer have been jailed or have lost their lives in the process.

Chose your poison.

are you kidding?!

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talk to my 50 year old Iranian friends.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/04/...a/23prison.php

this mental dwarf dares tell another culture that they are not upholding the freedoms that we Americans (supposedly) cherish, while housing 1/4 of the world's prison population when we have but 1/20 of the world's population

just like neocons ... who want you to heed what they have to say but also ignore the evil that they do

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Perhaps if you could say what you mean by such a statement, I could actually reply.

Under the Shah, though, there were around 60000 political prisoners by most accounts -- prisoners who were often tortured and/or killed.

Under the Mullahs, there are around 30000 political prisoners, and many opponants have been executed already.

Undert the Shah, women had greater rights, while under the Mullahs they are second lass citizens.

These barbarians first must abandon the evil of islam before you can expect any civilized behavior out of them, or a decent set of laws that doesn't persecute and oppress women, gays, etc.

islam is the most evil ideology ever dreamed up by humanity.

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Qur'an:8:39 Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.
Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

those who live in usa? they don't know anything about current iran. I'll be glad to talk to them and inform 'em about today's iran.

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Darkness imprisoning me
All that I see
Absolute horror
I cannot live
I cannot die
Trapped in myself
Body my holding cell

Land mine has taken my sight
Taken my speech
Taken my hearing
Taken my arms
Taken my legs
Taken my soul
Left me with life in hell