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Old 05-25-2008, 09:32 AM
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Israel and the USA should resign from the UN officially (THis would make them rogue states - WHICH is what they already are anyway - at least it would be officially and they wouldnt be wasting the rest of the worlds time by the constant US vetoes ont his very simple matter)
You keep Repeating your Bogus Charges.
Stupendously Bogus.

First declaring even that the USA vetoed Resolution 242!

Actually it was the Arab States who voted against Resolution 242 Precisely because it did NOT call for a return to the 1967 Borders and called for NEW "Secure Recognized" borders.. 'recognizing the old ones were Not. Israel voted for it and accepted Immediately in a Speech by Eban.

The Arabs and others have since tried to use the incorrect 'French Transaltion'/Mistranslation and have adopted a revisionist meaning.. but they certainly knew what it meant when they Voted 'No'.

See the Res 242 string First Page. Already Explained.
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"....This should begin with more Jews standing up and condemning the Hateful Vulgarities of Their Religion..."

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Old 05-26-2008, 10:13 AM
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"Palestinians" [are an] Arab people no one heard of before 1967 before Israeli governments certified this piece of propaganda... As has been noted many times before, prior to 1948, that is before Jews had begun to call themselves Israelis, the ONLY persons known as "Palestinians" were Jews, with the Arabs much preferrring to identify themselves as part of the great Arab nation.

- David Basch


"...Palestine does not belong to the "Palestinians" and never did. They did not even call themselves Palestinians until the middle 1960s. Before that, the word "Palestinian" meant "Jewish," while the local Arabs called themselves simply "Arabs."
The creation of the PLO by Gamal Abdul Nasser in 1964 was a brilliant ploy to distort the parameters of the dispute, largely for propaganda purposes.
It was inconvenient to have a conflict between 20-odd Arab states with an area 530 times greater than Israel, a population more than 30 times greater than Israel's and enormously richer natural resources.
Far better to invent a "Palestinian" nation that would be the eternal "underdog," - a nation consisting partly of Immigrants from Syria and other Arab countries who came to benefit from the rapidly growing economy Zionist Jews created..."

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"There is no such country [as Palestine]! 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented!"

- Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, a local Arab leader, to the Peel Commission, 1937


"..There is No language known as Palestinian. There is No distinct Palestinian culture.
There has Never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians.
Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another Recent Invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of 1% of the landmass.
But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today. Greed. Pride. Envy. Covetousness. No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough....""

- Joseph Farah, Arab-American journalist


dear beletesri , all you mentioned above is absolutly wrong
the first people live in palestine in Canaanites 2500bc , Canaanites is native arabic palestinian
and this is history of palestine from http://www.palestineremembered.com/A.../Story564.html
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600,000-10,000 B.C.
Paleolithic and Mesolithic period. Earliest human remains in the area, found south of Lake Tiberias, dated to circa 600,000 B.C.
10,000-5,000 B.C.
Neolithic period. Establishment of settled agricultural communities.
5,000-3,000 B.C.
Chalcolithic period. Copper and stone tools and artifacts. Remains from this period found near Jericho, Beersheba, and the Dead Sea.
3,000-2,000 B.C.
Early Bronze Age. Arrival and settlement of Canaanites (3,000-2,500 B.C.).
ca. 1,250 B.C.
Israelite conquest of Canaan.
965-928 B.C.
King Solomon. Construction of the temple in Jerusalem.
928 B.C.
Division of Israelite state into the kingdoms of Israel and Judah.
721 B.C.
Assyrian conquest of the kingdom of Israel.
586 B.C.
Judah defeated by Babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar. Deportation of its population to Babylon; destruction of the temple.
539 B.C.
Persians conquer Babylonia. Some Jews allowed to return. Construction of a new temple.
333 B.C.
Conquest of Persia by Alexander the Great brings Palestine under Greek rule.
323 B.C.
Death of Alexander leads to alternate rule by Ptolemies of Egypt and Seleucids of Syria.
165 B.C.
Maccabees revolt against the Seleucid ruler Antiochus Epiphanes and go on to establish independent Jewish state.
63 B.C.
Incorporation of Palestine into the Roman Empire)
from
http://www.palestineremembered.com/A.../Story564.html

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Old 05-26-2008, 10:36 AM
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And what does that have to do with ARABS in Palestine?

'Arabs' are NOT even mentioned in YOUR OWN timeline.
While Israel, Israelite, Their Kings, or Jews, are mentioned 9 times.


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600,000-10,000 B.C.
Paleolithic and Mesolithic period. Earliest human remains in the area, found south of Lake Tiberias, dated to circa 600,000 B.C.
10,000-5,000 B.C.
Neolithic period. Establishment of settled agricultural communities.
5,000-3,000 B.C.
Chalcolithic period. Copper and stone tools and artifacts. Remains from this period found near Jericho, Beersheba, and the Dead Sea.
3,000-2,000 B.C.
Early Bronze Age. Arrival and settlement of Canaanites
(3,000-2,500 B.C.).
ca. 1,250 B.C.
Israelite conquest of Canaan.

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Canaanites is a native palestinians , they was arab trips live in palestine
first people , first civilization , first comunity in the palestine befor jews come to palestine .
dont forgot that when jews come and overcome canaanites , they take from canaanites thier tradtion and language
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Fair enough. That does of course legitimise every action by any side. There's no room to take moral ground once that view is adopted.
Well thats the way I see things, you better carry the biggest stick or have an allie who does.
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Canaanites is a native palestinians , they was arab trips live in palestine
first people , first civilization , first comunity in the palestine befor jews come to palestine .
dont forgot that when jews come and overcome canaanites , they take from canaanites thier tradtion and language
That's Complete BS and also has NOTHING to do with your Initial Claim about Arabs, who are NOT 'Canaanites', but late 7th Century INVADERS.

You Bizarrely seem to think any non-Jewish people is the same race/tribe/group and use them interchangeably!
Why not throw in the Philistines (a GREEK Sea People) at least, from whom the name of the land was taken! by the Romans as a term of insult.
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Wow. I truly feel sorry for anyone that has such a huge amount of hate built up in them. I myself am arab Syrian, and it really astounds me that for someone to have a quote from Barack Obama about "race not being something we can afford to ignore right now" could be so hateful and fearful of a race.

The fact of the matter is that the Palestinians ARE mentioned through out history, they ARE a people, they DO exist, and no amount of Israeli tanks that occupy land that is not theirs is going to take away from that. Anyone that thinks the 1967 wars were a win/lose situation and nothing more is ridiculously out of touch with plain old history. The US VIOLATED FOUR U.N. charters when it HELPED create the state of Israel, and when it helped out Israel in the 67 wars. The only reason the U.N couldn't take action was because the U.S. sat on the Security Council and vetoed any disciplinary action the U.N. might have taken.

Israel wrongfully and illegally invaded territory that wasn't there's for religious reasons. Stating that God says that your people are the chosen people is NOT a good enough reason to oust millions of people from their homes.

So, for anyone that says, "the Arabs weren't strong enough, and that's why they lost," I hope you are still saying the same when the United States is invaded and our lands are taken by the very people that we have occupied, ostrized, oppressed, and ridiculed for the past 60 years. Let's remember that Israel had a MILITARY (largely furnished by the West, mainly the U.S.), and that military was incredibly formidable; tanks, fighter jets, latest in gun, ammunition, and other kinds of technology...against a people that had NOTHING? Are you kidding me? Palestinians didn't have tanks, they didn't have guns at the level, caliber, and number that Israeli's did, they didn't have fighter jets. They were over run and pushed out of their homes because Israel said, "God says that's our land, and you're on our land".

And the U.S. stood by and let them do that. Gee, I wonder why so many arab states hate the U.S. Could it be because we aid their oppressors? Hmmmm...I think any logical person would be able to figure that out. From what I see on this forum, there are few people that wouldn't be able to....and that's a pity. Hide behind your blinders of hate. I'm sure I'll see you sitting with your guns and lawn chairs on the Mexico border one day.
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The palestinians choose to side with the attacking Arab armies. They choose the wrong side. Its always the same with Arabs the palestinians are getting screwed, yet no arab country does (*)(*)(*)(*)ing thing for them other than be enablers for terrorist attacks.

The Romans coined the name palestinian as an insult to the jews they occupied - in reference to the philistines.


Arabs are a strange lot, when the UN says anything about isreal the UN is the holy grail, but when it comes to arabs interests they simply ignore the evil organization

No country on the loosing end of a war gets to set the terms the victors do.

The rejection of the partition plan in 1947 by the Arab nations demonstrated an unwillingness to accept the existence of a Jewish state in the region. Neither the Jews nor the Arabs were fully satisfied with the plan calling for a division of British-mandated Palestine into two states, with Jerusalem as an international city, and there was much internal opposition. Giving the Jews only 12 percent of the land promised to them in the Balfour declaration, and drawing borders for the new state which were virtually indefensible, the plan was a difficult compromise for many of the Jews of Palestine. On the other side, the Arab nations desired full control over the land of Palestine and the Arab people in the region. Yet, the Zionist leaders accepted the partition plan despite its less-than-ideal solution, understanding the need to compromise. It was the Arab nations who refused the plan and gathered their armies to wage battle against Israel. Had the Arabs accepted the plan in 1947 there would have been an Arab state alongside the Jewish State of Israel and the heartache and bloodshed that have characterized the Arab-Israeli conflict might have been avoided.

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Though the Biblical tradition holds that the Israelites arrived in Canaan from Egypt, archaeology provides strong evidence that they emerged from among the local population existent there at the time; these events are generally dated to between the 13th and 12th centuries BCE. Archaeological evidence indicates that the late 13th, the 12th and the early 11th centuries BCE witnessed the foundation of perhaps hundreds of insignificant, unprotected village settlements, many in the mountains of Palestine. From around the 11th century BCE, there was a reduction in the number of villages, though this was counterbalanced by the rise of certain settlements to the status of fortified townships.

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Archeological evidence therefore indicates that the Jews were native to the region currently called "Palestine" and therefore have historical claim to it.

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The fact of the matter is that the Palestinians ARE mentioned through out history, they ARE a people, they DO exist
Irrelevant even if true. Because the Jews were there first.
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