Thread: The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio

Why would the astronauts who say they went to the moon lie?

So that people wouldn't know the truth.

What does that mean? Give an example of what would convince you.

Footage with no anomalies would help.

If something has been faked, all the evidence is going to point to its having been faked. If something really happened, all the evidence is going to point to its having happened. There's no way that there can be clear evidence of its having been faked and its having really happened at the same time.

The footage is full of anomalies. If they'd really gone to the moon, there would be zero anomalies. Therefore, they faked it.

If you think they really went, post something you consider to be proof that they went and we can discuss whether it's really proof.

Originally Posted by Scott

So that people wouldn't know the truth.

So how many of the astronauts are lying? All of them since 1960? Or just the Apollo Astronauts? Apollo, Gemini, Mercury? All of the engineers, flight directors, PR people, administrators?. Who, as specific as you can be, is lying?

Originally Posted by Scott

Footage with no anomalies would help.

If something has been faked, all the evidence is going to point to its having been faked. If something really happened, all the evidence is going to point to its having happened. There's no way that there can be clear evidence of its having been faked and its having really happened at the same time.

The footage is full of anomalies. If they'd really gone to the moon, there would be zero anomalies. Therefore, they faked it.

Are you an Astrophysicist?
Have you ever been in outer space?
Are you an expert on the equipment the astronauts used?

You're talking about anomalies without any real knowledge of 3 key aspects. As you did on 9/11 with your silly "take a ruler and measure your screen" argument.

Originally Posted by Scott

If you think they really went, post something you consider to be proof that they went and we can discuss whether it's really proof.

I fully believe the testimonials. I see no reason for them to lie. Why do you think they lie--and remember you need to define they.

So how many of the astronauts are lying? All of them since 1960? Or just the Apollo Astronauts? Apollo, Gemini, Mercury? All of the engineers, flight directors, PR people, administrators?. Who, as specific as you can be, is lying?

At least the astronauts from Apollo 11 through 17 and a lot of the higher level people in the space program are lying. I can only speculate about the rest. Here's something from post #5.
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Q: Why do prominent astronomers like Sir Bernard Lovell and Patrick Moore support the Moon landings if they were faked?

A: Scientists and astronomers around the globe know full well that the Moon missions were faked, but rely on NASA to gain access to the vital data beamed back to Earth from the Hubble space telescope. They cannot slag off NASA otherwise NASA would deprive them of this essential information, which they so much require.
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Q: What about the vast number of people involved in Apollo, wouldn’t someone have spoken out.

A: Pan’s claim there were half a million people involved in the Apollo program, but that includes all the humble engineers working on machine parts in many companies around the globe. So if someone is making a part in some engineering factory in Seattle, and his boss tells him it’s for the Apollo spacecraft, is that engineer proof the landings took place? No of course it is not proof, and even if that engineer knew they never made it to the Moon, he would still brag to his friends that he made a part that went to the Moon just to make him feel proud in some way or other. Parts for the Apollo program were made at many different factories around the globe. For example the laser reflector supposedly left on the Moon was manufactured in France. NASA collected the unit from the French company, and that was the last they saw of it. It’s probably stashed away in some archive at Langley, but one things for certain it’s not on the Moon. Are those French engineers proof they landed on the Moon? No of course not, as very few, (probably less than 200 people), were actually involved in bringing the whole lot together, so as to minimize what was actually taking place. No need for any of them to speak out because (A) They are 100% patriotic to the USA, and would say nothing that would go against America, even if it were true. (B) They do not need millions of dollars to safeguard their future, as they have already received substantial amounts from NASA just to “keep mum”. Read comments from people who worked on the Apollo program in the APOLLO FEEDBACK section.
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Are you an Astrophysicist?
Have you ever been in outer space?
Are you an expert on the equipment the astronauts used?

You're talking about anomalies without any real knowledge of 3 key aspects.

One doesn't have to be an astrophysicist to see those clear anomalies in the footage. Look at the one in post #1. An eight-year-old could see that the movement of Collins' jacket is consistent with strong gravity at a time when they were supposed to be halfway to the moon.

I fully believe the testimonials. I see no reason for them to lie. Why do you think they lie--and remember you need to define they.

If they were telling the truth and they really had gone to the moon, there wouldn't be any anomalies in the footage. Therefore, they're lying. Physical evidence trumps testimony.

Originally Posted by Scott

At least the astronauts from Apollo 11 through 17 and a lot of the higher level people in the space program are lying. I can only speculate about the rest.

And why would these 21 men lie again? Many, if not most, have been in space already so that couldn't be the hook. Again, why would they lie?

What about Apollo 8 and 10?

Originally Posted by Scott

One doesn't have to be an astrophysicist to see those clear anomalies in the footage. Look at the one in post #1. An eight-year-old could see that the movement of Collins' jacket is consistent with strong gravity at a time when they were supposed to be halfway to the moon.

So now you're basing your "they're lying" nonsense on the actions of a jacket that you "think" is supposed to be acting differently based on zero space flight time, zero knowledge of what fabric does in the vacuum of space, and zero knowledge of the condition of material at the time.

Originally Posted by Scott

If they were telling the truth and they really had gone to the moon, there wouldn't be any anomalies in the footage. Therefore, they're lying. Physical evidence trumps testimony.

And your thinking there are anomalies is "proof"? Forgive me for laughing at your admitted lack of any expertise juxtaposed to the blanket statement.

Here's the latest from Jarrah White. It's a series about the moon rocks.
http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...visited.+&aq=f

Originally Posted by Scott

One doesn't have to be an astrophysicist to see those clear anomalies in the footage. Look at the one in post #1. An eight-year-old could see that the movement of Collins' jacket is consistent with strong gravity at a time when they were supposed to be halfway to the moon.

Good day to you Scott (aka Cosmored).

I have decided to take you up on your offer of debate, since you have repeatedly spammed your link on my youtube channel (betamax101).

Physical evidence trumps testimony.

Please point me towards some physical evidence that you have presented on any matter, so that I may examine it. I presume you meant circumstantial evidence, which I shall start to dismantle as I go.

I suspect that were anybody remotely connected to the space program, to offer any evidence to support your claims, you would change your mind on what a "trump card" is.


My first refutation of your claims is to highlight what you call an "anomaly" with Michael Collins' Jacket.

Firstly, I have seen numerous claims where you compare the motion of his jacket to ISS footage and make associations that any differences in inertial movement are indicative of gravity. That in itself is a self supporting argument, since your assessment is wrong in the first place.

I am now presenting a video series I put on youtube to specifically debunk your argument, with descriptions of what each video demonstrates.

Video 1
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NkijOFUnu0"]YouTube - ‪Apollo 11 - Michael Collins' Jacket‬‏[/ame]

In this video, I show the footage in question. The major part of the movement of his jacket is caused by a semi rigid plastic hose holding an attachment (with mass) at waist height, being moved away from and back towards him. The contact causes the jacket to naturally ripple and flex.

The video also highlights a bulging of his jacket, at the back and on his shoulder area. In itself a clear sign that the jacket's Earth weight does not pull the air out, but rather, a lack of weight holds it in place.

His arms are vertical and against the bulkhead above him, to counter his natural upwards motion in zero-g whilst jogging. This is effectively transferring his inertial motion from one direction to another in a short space of time and repeatedly.

I highlight the flexing of his body, his laterally twisting torso, and the upward and downward motion of his legs.

All of this activity creates air movement, though slight, that also has a contributary effect.

Video 2
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ogk218Qt24"]YouTube - ‪Apollo 11 - Michael Collins' Jacket part 2‬‏[/ame]

In this video, I concentrate on the motion in zero-g of Collins' identification tags (dogtags). The video highlights a very fleeting glimpse of the tags, shows them hovering in front of his neck, and moving side to side along with the lateral motion of his shoulders and neck. I have also slowed the footage down.

Video 3
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs_u4iNfaGk"]YouTube - ‪Apollo 11 - Michael Collins' Jacket part 3‬‏[/ame]

In this video, I address the issue of the cuffs supposedly always resting on his wrist. There are clearly instances, when the opposite is true. That is, the sleeves are puffed up with air and floating as they would in zero-g.

Video 4
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BQQyG8XDlA"]YouTube - ‪Apollo 11 - Michael Collins' Jacket part 4‬‏[/ame]

In this video, I show again the dogtags clearly floating, numerous times, zoomed in, and with a frame extract of all frames in the sequence. I demonstrate with back to back repeats, the sideways motion.

Video 5
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK0cleCpmfM"]YouTube - ‪Apollo 11 - Michael Collins' Jacket part 5‬‏[/ame]

In this last video, I concentrate on isolating the signs of weightlessness and showing the numerous comments made on the videos. The comments in themselves, demonstrate a complete non-understanding of science, they contradict each other and quite frankly are absurd.


I will leave you with just the two comments from my videos made by the user cosmored, who is in fact the same person that created this thread:-

"Collins' jacket corner bounces up and down the way it would in gravity"

Then in reply to my video showing the puffed up back and shoulders of his jacket:-

"In zero-G the jacket would be bouncing up and down on his back if it were loose"

To anybody with rationale, logical thought, with even mild powers of discernement, I would say that fairly conclusively closes the door on that little piece of the "mountain of evidence".

Look at the jacket corner in the first video and the straps in the second video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fqdB1b53jc
(00:50 time mark)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofwzby1c7o
(3:17 time mark)

Does it look to you like both movements are in the same environment?

Does the movment of these jacket corners look different from the movement of Collins' jacket corner?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTNGNW5Evs4

Does this look to you like the same environment that Collins is in.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TejsnPThmd4

This is such a clear anomaly that it closes the whole case by itself.

Originally Posted by Scott

Look at the jacket corner in the first video and the straps in the second video.

No. This may be your idea of a debate, but it's not mine.

Now answer fully the post I just made.

In this video, I show the footage in question. The major part of the movement of his jacket is caused by a semi rigid plastic hose holding an attachment (with mass) at waist height, being moved away from and back towards him. The contact causes the jacket to naturally ripple and flex.

The video also highlights a bulging of his jacket, at the back and on his shoulder area. In itself a clear sign that the jacket's Earth weight does not pull the air out, but rather, a lack of weight holds it in place.

His arms are vertical and against the bulkhead above him, to counter his natural upwards motion in zero-g whilst jogging. This is effectively transferring his inertial motion from one direction to another in a short space of time and repeatedly.

I highlight the flexing of his body, his laterally twisting torso, and the upward and downward motion of his legs.

All of this activity creates air movement, though slight, that also has a contributary effect.

There's nothing here that directly affects the movement of the jacket corner.

The hose is too far above the corner to cause it to go back down when it stops going up.

The bulge would not be caused by zero-G. There seems to be something holding his jacket down in the back. It's pulling the back of his jacket and causing wrinkles. I don't see anything that I would attribute to zero-G. The main evidence is the corner and there's no identifiable force making the jacket corner stop going up and go back down except for gravity.

There's nothing his arms are doing that would cause the corner of the jacket to stop and go back down. The same goes for his torso and his legs. The movement from them doesn't arrive to the jacket corner except when it is pulled upward. The material is too loose to push it back down.

Anyone who looks at the dogtags can see that they don't float in front of him. They go up, stop, and go back down the way they would in gravity.
YouTube - ‪Apollo_11__The_TV_Tran smission_Conspiracy_Theorists_ Hate_.mp4‬‏
(1:00 time mark)

I was able to duplicate the movement of the dogtags with some keys around my neck. I jogged in place and added a little extra forward movement to my upper body. I also duplicated the movement of the jacket corner by putting a light jacket on a hanger and bouncing it up and down.

As soon as all movement stops, the cuffs immediately rest on their upper wrists. I don't see anything that looks like zero-G cuff-wise.

Please address my last post.

Originally Posted by Betamax101

Good day to you Scott (aka Cosmored).

I have decided to take you up on your offer of debate, since you have repeatedly spammed your link on my youtube channel (betamax101).



Please point me towards some physical evidence that you have presented on any matter, so that I may examine it. I presume you meant circumstantial evidence, which I shall start to dismantle as I go.

I suspect that were anybody remotely connected to the space program, to offer any evidence to support your claims, you would change your mind on what a "trump card" is.


My first refutation of your claims is to highlight what you call an "anomaly" with Michael Collins' Jacket.

Firstly, I have seen numerous claims where you compare the motion of his jacket to ISS footage and make associations that any differences in inertial movement are indicative of gravity. That in itself is a self supporting argument, since your assessment is wrong in the first place.

I am now presenting a video series I put on youtube to specifically debunk your argument, with descriptions of what each video demonstrates.

Video 1
YouTube - ‪Apollo 11 - Michael Collins' Jacket‬‏

In this video, I show the footage in question. The major part of the movement of his jacket is caused by a semi rigid plastic hose holding an attachment (with mass) at waist height, being moved away from and back towards him. The contact causes the jacket to naturally ripple and flex.

The video also highlights a bulging of his jacket, at the back and on his shoulder area. In itself a clear sign that the jacket's Earth weight does not pull the air out, but rather, a lack of weight holds it in place.

His arms are vertical and against the bulkhead above him, to counter his natural upwards motion in zero-g whilst jogging. This is effectively transferring his inertial motion from one direction to another in a short space of time and repeatedly.

I highlight the flexing of his body, his laterally twisting torso, and the upward and downward motion of his legs.

All of this activity creates air movement, though slight, that also has a contributary effect.

Video 2
YouTube - ‪Apollo 11 - Michael Collins' Jacket part 2‬‏

In this video, I concentrate on the motion in zero-g of Collins' identification tags (dogtags). The video highlights a very fleeting glimpse of the tags, shows them hovering in front of his neck, and moving side to side along with the lateral motion of his shoulders and neck. I have also slowed the footage down.

Video 3
YouTube - ‪Apollo 11 - Michael Collins' Jacket part 3‬‏

In this video, I address the issue of the cuffs supposedly always resting on his wrist. There are clearly instances, when the opposite is true. That is, the sleeves are puffed up with air and floating as they would in zero-g.

Video 4
YouTube - ‪Apollo 11 - Michael Collins' Jacket part 4‬‏

In this video, I show again the dogtags clearly floating, numerous times, zoomed in, and with a frame extract of all frames in the sequence. I demonstrate with back to back repeats, the sideways motion.

Video 5
YouTube - ‪Apollo 11 - Michael Collins' Jacket part 5‬‏

In this last video, I concentrate on isolating the signs of weightlessness and showing the numerous comments made on the videos. The comments in themselves, demonstrate a complete non-understanding of science, they contradict each other and quite frankly are absurd.


I will leave you with just the two comments from my videos made by the user cosmored, who is in fact the same person that created this thread:-

"Collins' jacket corner bounces up and down the way it would in gravity"

Then in reply to my video showing the puffed up back and shoulders of his jacket:-

"In zero-G the jacket would be bouncing up and down on his back if it were loose"

To anybody with rationale, logical thought, with even mild powers of discernement, I would say that fairly conclusively closes the door on that little piece of the "mountain of evidence".

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...postcount=1593

Loved it!