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Old 09-05-2007, 10:26 AM
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Default B-52 Accidentally flies over the US loaded.......

Weird source I know... At least they fired the guy and we were never in danger.....

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WASHINGTON - A B-52 bomber flew the length of the United States last week loaded with six nuclear armed cruise missiles in a major security breach, US military officials said Wednesday.


The lapse was reported to President George W. Bush after the nuclear warheads were discovered when the aircraft landed at Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana, said a military official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The US Air Force has relieved the munition squadron commander at Minot Air Base in North Dakota of his duties, and launched an intensive investigation into the incident, a spokesman said.

At no time was there a threat to public safety,’ said Lieutenant Colonel Ed Thomas. ‘It is important to note that munitions were safe, secure and under military control at all times.’

The Pentagon would not provide specifics, citing secrecy rules, but an expert said the incident was unprecedented and pointed to a disturbing lapse in the air force’s command and control system.
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Old 09-05-2007, 10:43 AM
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/militar...-05-b-52_N.htm
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Default Would never happen if GEN .Curtis LeMay was alive

This would never happen if GEN .Curtis LeMay was still alive and running SAC if there still was a SAC (STRATEGIC AIR COMMAND ) which is now lumped into the Air Combat Command. Those guys would find themselves counting canned beans one at a time in Tule Greenland for the rest of their career.
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Default In all seriousness though!!! CNN BLOWING THIS UP

In all seriousness though this was a breach of procedure and security there was never ay danger of the weapons detonating since they were not armed.
I am not minimizing what happened but CNN IS BLOWING THIS OUT OF PROPORTIOM ( NO PUN INTENDED) and tried to make this sound as if this was "Dr. Strangelove " played out in real.
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Yeah, I'm calling "media hype" on this one.

a) They weren't armed.
b) It takes a lot to arm them.
c) Oh, like it never happened before?

Something like this probably happened a lot during the Clinton administration, without anyone knowing about it (shuttling missiles, not losing them). No one cared.
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Default You guys need to get a new schtick

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Yeah, I'm calling "media hype" on this one.

a) They weren't armed.
b) It takes a lot to arm them.
c) Oh, like it never happened before?

Something like this probably happened a lot during the Clinton administration, without anyone knowing about it (shuttling missiles, not losing them). No one cared.
Great so now we are playing the stupid little game of Clinton probably maybe sort of did it too. Do you really believe that the Clintonians had so much power over the media that they could hide something like this ? To my knowledge we lost two nuclear devices over oceans during the cold war. I do not remember exactly whose administration it happened in but beleive me it was not partisan.

You guys need to get a new schtick becasue this Clinton did it also thing is way beyond the veil of stupitocity!!!
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Default Nuclear misshaps are not partisan

http://www.cdi.org/Issues/NukeAccidents/accidents.htm


This is just a sampling from the link. It spans from the Truman years when nukes became operational to now. There was much activity during the 1950's but that was logical becasue we were byuuilding up the nuke force and learning. Nuclear related misshaps are not partisan. So those of you who think that this happened under one political party and was hidden are fools


August 5, 1950, Suisun Air Force Base, Fairfield, California

A B-29 bomber carrying a nuclear weapon without its fissile core crashed and burned near a trailer park occupied by 200 families

May 22, 1957, Kirtland Air Force Base, New Mexico

A nuclear weapon without its fissile core fell from the bomb bay of a B-36 at an altitude of 1,700 feet and exploded non nuclear upon impact because both the weapon and its fissile core had been removed for safety..

January 31, 1958, Unidentified Overseas Base

A B-47 bomber with one nuclear weapon in strike configuration was making a simulated takeoff during an exercise when the left rear wheel casting failed, causing the tail to strike the runway and rupturing the fuel tank. The aircraft caught fire and burned for seven hours. Although the weapon's high explosives did not detonate, there was some contamination in the area immediately surrounding the crash

February 1958, Greenham Common Airbase, England

A B-47 bomber experiencing engine trouble during takeoff jettisoned two full 1,700 gallon fuel tanks from an altitude of 8,000 feet, which missed a designated safe impact area and exploded 65 feet behind a parked B-47 loaded with nuclear weapons.

November 26, 1958, Chennault Air Force Base, Lake Charles, Louisiana

A B-47 bomber caught fire on the ground, destroying the single nuclear weapon onboard. Contamination was limited to the immediate vicinity of the aircraft wreckage.

July 6, 1959, Barksdale Air Force Base, Bossier City, Louisiana

A C-124 aircraft transporting a nuclear weapon without its fissile core crashed during takeoff, completely destroying the aircraft and nuclear weapon

June 7, 1960, McGuire Air Force Base, near Trenton, New Jersey

A BOMARC* air defense missile being stored in a ready state that permitted its launch in two minutes was destroyed after a high pressure helium tank exploded and ruptured the missile's fuel tanks. Although the warhead was also destroyed by the fire, the safety devices acted properly and prevented the weapon's high explosives from detonating


December 8, 1964, Bunker Hill (now Grissom) Air Force Base, Peru, Indiana

A B-58 bomber lost control and slid off a runway during taxi, causing portions of the five nuclear weapons onboard to burn in an ensuing fire. There were no detonations and contamination was limited to the immediate area of the crash.

January 17, 1966, Palomares, Spain

A B-52 bomber carrying four hydrogen bombs collided in midair with a KC-135 tanker near Palomares, Spain. Of the four H-bombs aboard, two weapons' high explosive material exploded on ground impact, releasing radioactive materials, including plutonium, over the fields of Palomares.


January 21, 1968, Thule, Greenland

Four nuclear bombs were destroyed in a fire after the B-52 bomber carrying them crashed approximately seven miles southwest of the runway at Thule Air Force Base in Greenland. The B-52, from Plattsburgh Air Force Base in New York, crashed after a fire broke out in the navigator's compartment.

WEAPONS LOST/MISSING




March 10, 1956, Over the Mediterranean Sea

A B-47 bomber carrying two nuclear weapon cores in their carrying cases disappeared over the Mediterranean Sea.


February 5, 1958, Savannah River, Georgia

A nuclear weapon without a fissile core was lost following a mid-air collision. A B-47 bomber carrying a nuclear weapon without its fissile core collided with a F-86 aircraft near Savannah, Georgia

September 25, 1959, Off Whidbey Island, Washington

A U.S. Navy P-5M aircraft carrying an unarmed nuclear depth charge without its fissile core crashed into Puget Sound near Whidbey Island,

January 24, 1961, Goldsboro, North Carolina

In what nearly became a nuclear catastrophe, a B-52 bomber on airborne alert carrying two nuclear weapons broke apart in midair. The B-52 experienced structural failure in its right wing and the aircraft's resulting breakup released the two weapons from a height of 2,000-10,000 feet. One of the bomb's parachutes deployed properly and that weapon's damage was minimal

December 5, 1965, Aboard the USS Ticonderoga (CVA-14) in the Pacific Ocean

An A-4E Skyhawk strike aircraft carrying a nuclear weapon rolled off an elevator on the U.S. aircraft carrier Ticonderoga and fell into the sea.


Spring 1968, Aboard the USS Scorpion (SSN-589) in the Atlantic Ocean

Although the Pentagon has not publicly released details of the accident, it probably refers to the nuclear powered attack submarine USS Scorpion that was lost at sea. The sub, carrying unidentified nuclear weapons, was last heard from on May 21, 1968,



July 13, 1950, Lebanon, Ohio

A B-50 bomber carrying a nuclear weapon without its fissile core crashed while on a training mission from Biggs Air Force Base near El Paso, Texas


April 11, 1950, Manzano Base, Albuquerque, New Mexico

A B-29 bomber carrying a nuclear weapon, four spare detonators, and a crew of thirteen crashed into a mountain near Manzano Base in Albuquerque, New Mexico
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Yeah, I'm calling "media hype" on this one.

a) They weren't armed.
b) It takes a lot to arm them.
c) Oh, like it never happened before?

Something like this probably happened a lot during the Clinton administration, without anyone knowing about it (shuttling missiles, not losing them). No one cared.

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The Defense Department uses a computerized tracking program to keep tabs on each one of its nuclear warheads, said Hans Kristensen, director of the Nuclear Information Project at the Federation of American Scientists. For the six warheads to make it onto the B-52, each one would have had to be signed out of its storage bunker and transported to the bomber. Diligent safety protocols would have to have been ignored to load the warheads onto the plane, he said.

"I just can't imagine how all of this happened," said Philip Coyle, a senior adviser on nuclear weapons at the Center for Defense Information. "The procedures are so rigid; this is the last thing that's supposed to happen."
And, high explosives combined with a possible plutonium leak would have cause a dirty bomb but not a nuclear explosion but still deadly.

The person who actually signed the bombs out -one by one - and then transported them to the plane should be court martialed.
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Default Only if there was a violation of the UCMJ

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The person who actually signed the bombs out -one by one - and then transported them to the plane should be court martialed.[/quote]

Only if there was a violation of the UCMJ otherwise there would be no basis for a courts martial. The Squadrom Commander who was responsible has been relived of his duty and that is a standard precursor to an investigation to deternmine if there is gounds for a courts martial and or an administrative repremand.
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Yeah, I'm calling "media hype" on this one.

a) They weren't armed.
b) It takes a lot to arm them.
c) Oh, like it never happened before?

Something like this probably happened a lot during the Clinton administration, without anyone knowing about it (shuttling missiles, not losing them). No one cared.
Great so now we are playing the stupid little game of Clinton probably maybe sort of did it too. Do you really believe that the Clintonians had so much power over the media that they could hide something like this ? To my knowledge we lost two nuclear devices over oceans during the cold war. I do not remember exactly whose administration it happened in but beleive me it was not partisan.

You guys need to get a new schtick becasue this Clinton did it also thing is way beyond the veil of stupitocity!!!

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