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Old 02-05-2008, 11:02 PM
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Iran can stop or be stopped and don't play the USA and its 88 allies or whatever can't handle it....
If WE must WE will.




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Old 02-05-2008, 11:21 PM
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If it were that easy, why would Iran (or anyone else) bother?

This whole discussion seems strange to me 'cause it seems like we all know that the problem isn't Iran. The problem isn't really national. It's political and economic.

This just isn't a problem that can be solved with the military. You will never kill so many people that the United States is less likely to be nuked.

I know that sounds like appeasement or whatever to some people, but sometimes I think that any solution except killing sounds like appeasement to some people.

The problems we've got in the middle east are just not going to be solved through war. I'm sorry. If it seemed like they could be, I could maybe be talked into it, but this is just not one of those cases where there's any percentage in keeping the fight going.

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Iran can stop or be stopped and don't play the USA and its 88 allies or whatever can't handle it....
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So a country with an estimated 200 nukes (Israel) and a country with an estimated 4,000 nukes (the United States) are panicked because Iran may develop 1 or 2 nuclear bombs? Just make it clear to them that if they use a nuke, or allow a terrorist group to use a nuke provided by them, the entire nation of Iran will glow in the dark and the combined remaining population of Iran will fit comfortably in one Wal-mart.
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So a country with an estimated 200 nukes (Israel) and a country with an estimated 4,000 nukes (the United States) are panicked because Iran may develop 1 or 2 nuclear bombs? Just make it clear to them that if they use a nuke, or allow a terrorist group to use a nuke provided by them, the entire nation of Iran will glow in the dark and the combined remaining population of Iran will fit comfortably in one Wal-mart.
that is the reality
presently, there is no balance of power in the region. israel feels entitled to cross soverign boundaries, such as when it recently bombed syria
once iran has the nuke, israel will have to think twice about such bully tactics in the future
iranian nukes are an israeli concern, NOT an American one
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israel has the nuke and fears iran having it for what reason?
I believe Iran is financing their own proxy army on Israel's borders, namely Hezbollah, whose charter states its one aim is the destruction of Israel. I also believe the Iranian President, on more than one occasion, has called for the destruction of Israel.

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possibly because israel will no longer be able to inflict its military against the arab interests without having to consider in-kind retaliation from its foe
The poor arab states which surround Israel have invaded it in two wars in the last 60 years, some of which have never declared a ceasefire, while others refuse to even acknowledge Israel's existence. I think such a state of affairs would make me apprehensive too.

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is israel testing ICBMs because it is planning a mission to mars or does it have a desire to project its nuclear devices across the sands of the middle east? [hint: mars is safe]
I have no issue with Israel having ICBM's. They've never used them, nor have they threatened to use them, against anyone on earth or mars. However, one thing is certain, Iran has been increasingly bellicose against the state of Israel, even though Israel has done nothing, nor said anything, to harm that country's interests.
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Iran has to be stopped.
But not the great stabilising force in the Middle East? Not the one has caused the death of an order of magnitude more Arabs than Saddam Hussein? Not the one who assisted in overthrowing a democratically elected Iranian government in 1953? Not the one who has vetoed 73 UN resolutions approved by the rest of the world? Not the one who sank UN resolution 242? I would suggest it is someone else who needs to be stopped.

Get real Duh. We have seen this pantomime of 'the great evil' needs to be stopped (from using his WMDs; from fighting to noble mujahiudeen; from "lets remove Hussein from our list of terrorists so we can give him aid"). It is now very predictable. We see clear through it.

The only thing that was not predictable was, when North Korea showed that they had nuclear ordinance capacity AND they had rockets to deliver them to US soil, how fast the US stopped prodding them.

Another typical parallel of the bully in the schoolyard.
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But not the great stabilising force in the Middle East? Not the one has caused the death of an order of magnitude more Arabs than Saddam Hussein? Not the one who assisted in overthrowing a democratically elected Iranian government in 1953? Not the one who has vetoed 73 UN resolutions approved by the rest of the world? Not the one who sank UN resolution 242? I would suggest it is someone else who needs to be stopped.

Get real Duh. We have seen this pantomime of 'the great evil' needs to be stopped (from using his WMDs; from fighting to noble mujahiudeen; from "lets remove Hussein from our list of terrorists so we can give him aid"). It is now very predictable. We see clear through it.

The only thing that was not predictable was, when North Korea showed that they had nuclear ordinance capacity AND they had rockets to deliver them to US soil, how fast the US stopped prodding them.

Another typical parallel of the bully in the schoolyard.
If you want to start a thread on trashing the United States, go ahead and post one. This thread is about Iran obtaining nuclear weapons and the bulk of your commentary is completely irrelevant to the issue.
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The 'Israeli' Mossad fearmongering to get Americans to do their dirty work dying in yet another desert hellhole. What else is new?
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Israel is a free functioning democracy. Iran isn't, they are an oppressive theocracy. All the countries around Israel hate them and want to kill the Jews. I'd be worried too if someone who wanted to kill me and my culture obtained nuclear weapons.

Israel isn't the bully by the way, sure they have made some mistakes, but they don't say they want to destroy every Muslim. Both sides have made mistakes, but Israel is a democracy and doesn't threaten to obliterate an entire religion.

Noo!!

Iran want to wipe Israel off the map, not kill all Jews! Israel is the problem!

There is a difference!

And again, israel have nuclear weabons, but thats ok?!!!

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So a country with an estimated 200 nukes (Israel) and a country with an estimated 4,000 nukes (the United States) are panicked because Iran may develop 1 or 2 nuclear bombs? Just make it clear to them that if they use a nuke, or allow a terrorist group to use a nuke provided by them, the entire nation of Iran will glow in the dark and the combined remaining population of Iran will fit comfortably in one Wal-mart.

Well both Israel/ US are democratic and responsible nations, Iran hangs homosexuals and stones women. Iran is arming terror groups around the Mideast, Iran is actively helping Insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan. Iran has demostrated aggressive behavior in international waters. Iran cannot be compared with Israel. Israel didnt use Nuclear weapons even under imminent threat of utter destruction during Yom Kippur war.
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