And because the law is crap you believe it is your right to go out and do whatever the hell you please.

I have morals, but my morals do not extend to deliberately breaking the law. Anyone who does deserves to be punished.

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Absolutely correct, 5th. V is for Vendetta!

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Exactly. They'd be more accurately described as the Federal mafia.

This is just the point though. It's insanely complicated for a reason - because they're hiding a deception. Spend some time on this site. And I also recommend you read this book.


Do you feel lucky? Well do you, punk?... Seriously, I don't advocate violence. However, we wouldn't need to even consider such things if people would wake up and realize they're being defrauded and lied to.

And be aware, the IRS has murdered people before.

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"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Schopenhauer

Ok, you're not American, you just wanted to comment on the American tax system because you love taxes so much... Got it.

Ok, but the issue is - IRS agents who don't pay their taxes are not threatened with criminal prosecution. Should the IRS be able to continue to criminally prosecute other citizens before it acknowledges the double standard and changes the law?

ROTFL. Argue against it? To who? An armed IRS agent demanding money?

Ever heard of Civil Disobedience? Some laws are immoral. They deserve to be challenged.

Would you have supported slavery when it was legal?


LOL. One cannot be guilty of tax avoidance - because it's not illegal:

"Anyone may arrange his affairs so that his taxes shall be as low as possible. He is not bound to choose that pattern which best pays the Treasury. There is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes. Over and over again the courts have said that there is nothing sinister in so arraigning affairs as to keep taxes as low as possible, everyone does it, rich and poor alike and all do RIGHT, for nobody owes the public duty to pay more than the law demands." Weeks v Sibley; Edwards v. Commissioner; Helvering v. Gregory, and 60 Federal 2nd 809, Judge Learned Hand.

"A pure trust is not illegal if formed for the express purpose of avoiding taxation." - Weeks v. Sibley, (D.C.) 269 F. 155.

From The Department of the Treasury, IRS Handbook for Special Agents p. 412; Tax Avoidance Distinguished from evasion, states: Avoidance of taxes is not a criminal offence. Any attempt to reduce, avoid, minimize, or alleviate taxes by legitimate means is permissible. "

I would say you've presented a good example of brain washing here.


Straw Man. Snipes committed no act of violence. He was acting peacefully. The government threatened him with force if he did not comply.

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No. I cannot "do as I please." I could practice Civil Disobedience, but I would have no right to interfere in anyone else's right to engage in peaceful, honest, voluntary activities in the process. Nor would I have a right to initiate force, fraud or coercion against anyone else in the process. I only own myself. I cannot morally interfere in anyone else's right of self-ownership.

Suppose your government were to pass a law that required each adult individual to kill one 5 year old child per year to prevent overpopulation. Would you comply with that law?

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I don't believe everything the law says. If I disagree with the law, I may flaunt it, depending on how likely it is I would be caught.
The Government would never be able to pass such a law - no one would comply with it.

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I agree with this. It's funny to me - you and I are both Australian and on this and other forums I'm on it seems Australians generally do share the same views regarding tax. That is to say, sure, it's a pain, but you can't bite the hand that feeds you. Our tax goes towards looking after our country. Pretty simple, not a problem. I don't have an issue with it.

I am yet to find this attitude amongst Americans. I know a few US citizens who agree, but mostly tax seems to be such a huge subject for complaint amongst Americans. Sounds to me like they want to have their cake and eat it, too.

Politicians pay tax. Everyone has to. Nobody is above the tax laws!

I don't have a problem with it, seriously. There are a lot of benefits I enjoy in daily life because I pay tax. It's all good as far as I'm concerned.

By your own logic, if you decided that raping a three-year-old girl was something you felt like doing, you'd just go ahead and do it, because you'd think the laws against it were crap. Nice.

What a shame you count yourself a member of that fine community. They are surely diminished by your participation.

I dunno - the more you post the more you demonstrate that your second description was pretty spot on.

I think we all do that to some degree. I, for example, am not above crossing the street against the lights if there are no cops around.

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Then your position is hypocritical, if you believe you don't have to comply with a law you don't like, yet want to hold other people accountable to laws they don't agree with.

Invalid. You cannot predict what the majority or government would do. At one time governments upheld treating other humans as pure property.

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Taxes are constitutional and the courts and SCOTUS have ruled such several times over. Which is why those who don't pay taxes end up in jail. Despite the claims of several, recently a couple in NH who found themselves surrounded for months and eventually arrested. Where they will serve their sentence. As they should. Paying some form of tax is a duty and pays for the protections we all enjoy. If you want a different form of government then elect it or propose a new amendment rescinding taxes.

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there is no "mostly unique;" thats like saying "sometimes always," its an oxymoron - its either one or the other.

The result:

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By the mid-19th century unique had developed a wider meaning, “not typical, unusual,” and it is in this wider sense that it is compared. The comparison of so-called absolutes in senses that are not absolute is standard in all varieties of speech and writing.

One day in the distant future, people will become enlightened enough to abolish the unjust practice of taxation. They will look back at those who advocated it as barbaric and irrational.

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