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Zoe · #**111** (**permalink**) 08-21-2006, 06:05 AM

Traditional female Islamic dress (the Hijab?- Is that what it is called?) reminds me a little of tight skirts, high heels and corsets for this reason: O.K., it hides rather than accentuates the figure but it also restricts activity. Political, do modest Islamic women participate in sports? Do they learn to swim? Do they build houses? Ride horses? Go fishing? Play tennis? Ride bikes? Didn't the Prophet say that women should be the partners not the posessions of men? I have no particular quarrel with the concept of modesty but the idea that women's activities, individuality and aspirations would be restricted by a dress code- that is appalling to me.

My vote for feminin beauty is Sigourney Weaver in the first "Alien" movie: beautiful, smart and TOUGH!

political · #**112** (**permalink**) 08-21-2006, 08:17 AM

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Is there no concept of free will in Islam? How does this discussion express such a belief?

no for a good muslim there is no free will.if there was absolute free will then one man would want to kill another man-one would want to loot another.islam does not allow this.it maintains order in society by giving ceratin injuctions to men and women.

now coming to zoe
yes muslim women participate in sports in tennis-in iran muslim women wear a proper dress for tennis which is made comfortable as well as modest.they even participate in soocer-england muslim women have a team and they also participate in cricket and also in swimming but for swimming they wear a rain coat type of dress and all of their own free will because these woemn love their religion

Zoe · #**113** (**permalink**) 08-21-2006, 07:08 PM

from my point of view, religion should have nothing to do with practical swim wear - male or female. In the water a "dress" of any kind sounds like a splendid way to discourage women from swimming. So, when I hear such a thing, I believe that the "dress" code is really about controlling women, not about modesty. If MEN have a problem with women wearing the clothing that are practical for the task at hand, then I think men have a problem and should avert their gaze! I was once introduced to a Hasidic man, he would not look at me. It is forbidden for a Hassidic man to gaze upon a woman other than his wife. Alright, that puts the responsibility onto the man who should take responsibility for his actions. Why should women be constrained, draped, corseted, made-up, high-heeled, or covered -up to suit masculin vanity or insecurity? I realize that women are often collaborators in their own confinement- sadly. You did not answer the most important question: did the prophet Mohammed say that women should be the partners of men?

political · #**114** (**permalink**) 08-22-2006, 07:53 AM

haha well said sis zoe.even i dont stare at women because i find nothing in them that does not mean that i am afraid to talk to them-i face them and talk to them but as i have said earlier for me skin is skin i find neither the skin of men or women attractive-either black or white-any skin u take and if u cut that skin u will get red blood and u can then see the flesh

-i know this sounds crazy but this is how i see it thats why some of my friends dont want to talk about their so called girl friends in fromt of me because they say i spoil their taste-foolish boys they forget that one day they will get old and all their lusts in their hearts will die and when they think of their young age they will be ashmed of themselves- thanks to ALLAH that he made me a muslim and saved me from this kind of things

now look what QURAN says

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"Say to the believing man that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that will make for greater purity for them; and Allah is well acquainted with all that they do. And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; and that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what must ordinarily appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands..." (Qur'an 24:30-31)

ISLAM belives in collective responsibility

Zoe · #**115** (**permalink**) 08-22-2006, 10:03 AM

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haha well said sis zoe.even i dont stare at women because i find nothing in them that does not mean that i am afraid to talk to them-i face them and talk to them but as i have said earlier for me skin is skin i find neither the skin of men or women attractive-either black or white-any skin u take and if u cut that skin u will get red blood and u can then see the flesh

-i know this sounds crazy but this is how i see it thats why some of my friends dont want to talk about their so called girl friends in fromt of me because they say i spoil their taste-foolish boys they forget that one day they will get old and all their lusts in their hearts will die and when they think of their young age they will be ashmed of themselves- thanks to ALLAH that he made me a muslim and saved me from this kind of things

now look what QURAN says

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"Say to the believing man that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that will make for greater purity for them; and Allah is well acquainted with all that they do. And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; and that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what must ordinarily appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands..." (Qur'an 24:30-31)

ISLAM belives in collective responsibility

I hope your young friends do not one day feel ashamed of themselves. If you try to squeeze a natural urge, I fear that, like a balloon, it will emerge in some unnatural unwholesome form.

Doctiloquus · #**116** (**permalink**) 08-22-2006, 10:51 AM

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following the injuctions of god is necessary for a good society.for if man willed he would not cover himself which is bad there are children in society and they m ust be brought up with good values-same with adults

Yes, if. But fortunately, few people feel the need to walk around nude. But if everyone was nude, it would not be considered bad to them nor would they consider it arousing. For example, in some tribes in Africa, the women go topless just like the men and the men do not find this arousing because it is the norm for them.

For the most part, it is not seeing body parts that is arousing, it is the fact that they are not normally seen.

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But wont exposing the face attract lust?

well u can keep your face open in islam

Yes, but by your logic surely that would arouse desire?

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its not fear but it is dignity

What is dignified in allowing the way you dress to be dictated by the thoughts of others?

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How can He be benevolent to all if He punishes some?

because he is not just benevolent but also a just master

But if He was benevolent He would not want to punish people.

ForceoftheTruth · #**117** (**permalink**) 08-22-2006, 08:57 PM

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from my point of view, religion should have nothing to do with practical swim wear - male or female. In the water a "dress" of any kind sounds like a splendid way to discourage women from swimming. So, when I hear such a thing, I believe that the "dress" code is really about controlling women, not about modesty. If MEN have a problem with women wearing the clothing that are practical for the task at hand, then I think men have a problem and should avert their gaze! I was once introduced to a Hasidic man, he would not look at me. It is forbidden for a Hassidic man to gaze upon a woman other than his wife. Alright, that puts the responsibility onto the man who should take responsibility for his actions. Why should women be constrained, draped, corseted, made-up, high-heeled, or covered -up to suit masculin vanity or insecurity?

Sexist double standards are immoral, and this is also analogous to free speech: "If you don't like what I have to say, don't listen to me". I also emphasize an infinite difference between immodesty and practicality. If I were a construction worker and the weather was extremely hot (to political-I am male, by the way), I would remove my shirt. I don't care whether that might hypothetically be prurient to someone in a certain mindset. The same standard applies for women. Anyway, within reason, people should be allowed to dress as they choose. No public nudity or underclothing without covering. Other than that, if you don't like it, don't look at it. By the way, I am considered very Puritanical (ask anyone on the site who knows me), but I am against sexism, impracticality and excessive government control. Furthermore, I'll once again post the only dress code in the Koran:

"And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms..."

http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/1219/p10s1-wogi.html

In other words, the Koran forbids only any kind of nudity. This needs to be understood in more of the Islamic world. I'm not attacking Islam- I'm pointing out that it is misunderstood by many of its followers.

political · #**118** (**permalink**) 08-23-2006, 08:09 AM

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I hope your young friends do not one day feel ashamed of themselves. If you try to squeeze a natural urge, I fear that, like a balloon, it will emerge in some unnatural unwholesome form.

well i feel ashmed of their acts now.and they are like that because they are non muslims friends of mine my muslim friends most of them just dont care about women.i know my non muslim friends will be in problem if they dont control themselves.yes every one has a natural urge i dont deny that but it has to be fulfilled in a legitimate manner-that is through marriage which Allah has ordered.

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Yes, if. But fortunately, few people feel the need to walk around nude. But if everyone was nude, it would not be considered bad to them nor would they consider it arousing. For example, in some tribes in Africa, the women go topless just like the men and the men do not find this arousing because it is the norm for them.

For the most part, it is not seeing body parts that is arousing, it is the fact that they are not normally seen.

i would term such people as uncivilised and uncultured

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Yes, but by your logic surely that would arouse desire?

well desire is aroused to some people even when they talk sh-it that is bad things but it is our duty to avoid un wanted desire by dressing inm a proper way.

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What is dignified in allowing the way you dress to be dictated by the thoughts of others?

no but by the law of God

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But if He was benevolent He would not want to punish people.

if he would not punish sinners then he would be an unjust master which he is not

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n other words, the Koran forbids only any kind of nudity. This needs to be understood in more of the Islamic world. I'm not attacking Islam- I'm pointing out that it is misunderstood by many of its followers.

thanks for that

.islam does forbid nudity of any kind to both men as well as women

ForceoftheTruth · #**119** (**permalink**) 08-23-2006, 08:40 AM

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n other words, the Koran forbids only any kind of nudity. This needs to be understood in more of the Islamic world. I'm not attacking Islam- I'm pointing out that it is misunderstood by many of its followers.

thanks for that

.islam does forbid nudity of any kind to both men as well as women

My point is that the Koran makes no further rules than that for men or for women regarding how they dress.