Do We Really Understand? - Page 3

The12thMan · #21 (**permalink**) 03-16-2005, 02:33 PM

mouse,
You are being exceptionally cruel and insensitive. Have you never heard the figure of speech "a special place in heaven"? It's actually quite common here in the US, and no one ever takes it to mean

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those familys who arn't emotionally able to let their children be butchered on a slab get a 'standard' place in heaven.

Here, you are likely to hear those words at any funeral. Your comments about 'gouging eyes' and 'butchering' are ridiculous and ignorant. Instead, why don't you look at it as a form of recycling?

myopicmouse · #22 (**permalink**) 03-16-2005, 02:49 PM

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mouse,
You are being exceptionally cruel and insensitive. Have you never heard the figure of speech "a special place in heaven"? It's actually quite common here in the US, and no one ever takes it to mean

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those familys who arn't emotionally able to let their children be butchered on a slab get a 'standard' place in heaven.

Here, you are likely to hear those words at any funeral. Your comments about 'gouging eyes' and 'butchering' are ridiculous and ignorant. Instead, why don't you look at it as a form of recycling?

excuse me, but i thought ignorance was when you ignored the truth, rather than see and accept what happened. Fact is, this is what organ donations entail, now if you want to pretend they take 'magic fluffyness' out of them, well thats your ignorance/problem. whereas the familys realise what exactly is going to happen to the bodys hence why a good number opt out of donating. now if you want to close your eyes and put your fingers in your ears, thats your problem...not anyone elses.

The12thMan · #23 (**permalink**) 03-16-2005, 03:10 PM

Perhaps the donor families realize what will happen to the body whether or not they choose to donate organs. Who's really being blind and deaf to the truth?

myopicmouse · #24 (**permalink**) 03-16-2005, 03:21 PM

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Perhaps the donor families realize what will happen to the body whether or not they choose to donate organs. Who's really being blind and deaf to the truth?

a body put whole, sealed in the coffin, then buried to decompose away from sight.

or, having their child laid out on a slab, and harvested like a piece of meat, whilst organs are sliced out of the body, eyes gouged out - all in the presence of other people. the remaining meat is sealed in a coffin to decompose.

donations are good but thinking of my family getting harvested like that, isn't a nice thought, especailly at a time of grief. it's a lot more dignafied to have the body sealed in a box, rather than hoked and poked by other people. there is a DISTINCT difference.

JP5 · #25 (**permalink**) 03-16-2005, 06:19 PM

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I saw nothing wrong with JP5's remarks on organ donation. I hope I would be unselfish enough, as a parent, to allow some good to come out of such a tragedy.

That was exactly my point, Catz. Strange that certain people couldn't see that. I, too, wonder if I could be that unselfish and giving at a time like that.

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JP5, my thoughts are with you and your friends in this time of loss. There is nothing I fear more, as a parent, than something terrible happening to one of my children. It truly would be the worst thing I can imagine.

Agreed. Makes you just want to hug your own kids a little longer, doesn't it?

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JP5 · #26 (**permalink**) 03-16-2005, 06:24 PM

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What did you mean by that "special place in heaven" statement. I think Myopic took it literally. Before I make any furthor comment, I want you to have the chance to clarify.

I simply meant that to be able to make that difficult decision at a time of such shocking loss for oneself, is a pretty giving thing to do. I don't know that I could do it. Therefore, I think they are pretty special people.

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My condolences on the young ones who have died. I can't imagine what thier parents are going through. I guess the best we can do is pray for them and celebrate the living.

True.

JP5 · #27 (**permalink**) 03-16-2005, 06:30 PM

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I hope that the organs can be used. They are extraordinary people to be able to be so unselfish at a time when they are facing such unimaginable grief. I believe that it could lessen their pain if they could know another person was helped. I know that they must have been thinking of what their daughter would have wanted.

We tried to donate urgans when my husband's brother died. They were unusable because it took so long for him to be declared 'brain dead' that the organs had begun to deteriorate. We knew that he would have loved the idea of helping people with his organs, but it didn't work out.

like i said giving organs is good, but just because you don't doesn't make you selfish. death is a very personal thing. I mean there may just be a % of people here who may object to having their childs eyes gouged out to be given to someone else.

Did I say anything bad about the people who DON'T make that same decision???? NO, I did not. Heck, I'm not so sure I could make the same decision myself. Probably couldn't.

JP5 · #28 (**permalink**) 03-16-2005, 06:34 PM

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Perhaps the donor families realize what will happen to the body whether or not they choose to donate organs. Who's really being blind and deaf to the truth?

a body put whole, sealed in the coffin, then buried to decompose away from sight.

or, having their child laid out on a slab, and harvested like a piece of meat, whilst organs are sliced out of the body, eyes gouged out - all in the presence of other people. the remaining meat is sealed in a coffin to decompose.

donations are good but thinking of my family getting harvested like that, isn't a nice thought, especailly at a time of grief. it's a lot more dignafied to have the body sealed in a box, rather than hoked and poked by other people. there is a DISTINCT difference.

Myopic: why don't you just shut the crap up? I'm in no mood this week for your insensitivity on this subject. So, just butt out.

The12thMan · #29 (**permalink**) 03-16-2005, 07:07 PM

I'm sorry, JP5. I should have been more thoughtful and not given him reason to spout his trash.

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Heck, I'm not so sure I could make the same decision myself. Probably couldn't.

All my kids have told me that they wanted to donate if they were to die before me. Of course, the subject was brought up in our family because of their Uncle Len. I know that I could do it, because I know how much better I would've felt if Len's organs had been useful. Of course, that decision was easy compared to one involving one's own child. I think we all feel the need to find something good in tragedy, and organ donation may be the only way to accomplish that.

myopicmouse · #30 (**permalink**) 03-16-2005, 08:22 PM

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Did I say anything bad about the people who DON'T make that same decision???? NO, I did not. Heck, I'm not so sure I could make the same decision myself. Probably couldn't.

well you seem to put those who do on a 'higher plain' - thus by default, putting other down - like it or not thats what it says.

if you don't want your comments discusses, i'd advise you not to put them on a PUBLIC forum on the internet.

and on the subject of sensitivity...on this thread, i appear to be the most sensitive person here, as much as you must not like that.

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