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Old 05-18-2007, 01:01 PM
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Everyone who saw the Republican debate must have seen the question about evolution, it made me cringe. I can't believe 4 of the republican canidates don't believe in evolution, they need to go back under the rock they came from.

I really want to hear from people who don't believe in evolution.
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It hasnt been proven, nothing can really.

The chance of evolution is so small, I can't believe it could happen. Yes Creation is the same way but it's what I believe.
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It hasnt been proven, nothing can really.

The chance of evolution is so small, I can't believe it could happen. Yes Creation is the same way but it's what I believe.
Why do people in warmer climates have darker skin?
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People don't want to believe in evolution. They have so much resistance that they are willing to call Intelligent Design "Theory" science.
The hypothesis behind ID cannot be disproven... therefore it is plainly not a hypothesis. Because there is no way to even try and disprove it, there is no way for it to become theory.
Evolution has been tested on several occasions, but not all possiblities have been exhausted. That is why it is theory and not a law. The "holes" ID "theorists" point out are areas that evolution theory has not yet covered... but none of these "holes" actually work as disproof of the theory because they are simply questions that have not been tested yet.

People think that evolution is somehow an alternative to God. Evolution theory makes no claims that there is no God... because that would be unscientific. Evolution makes no claims about the origin of life... only the variation in species. That's why prior to the current medeivalist Pope, the Catholic Church accepted evolution as the tool by which God designed life.

Problem is that the anti-evolution people, in fear that they might bring evidence against their "holy book", completely lack understanding of evolution and of scientific method itself. These people should have no say in science class... because they simply do not get science. ID belongs in philosophy class. And people who cannot deal with science... should seek careers in other fields.
But I think the blame must really fall on our schools. They have failed to give kids good understanding of what science is. The result is a generation full of ID "theorists".
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Default Intelligent design is just quackery.

That question is like asking "do you believe in gravity?"

Evolution is.

Intelligent design is just quackery.

I didn't answer the poll.
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It hasnt been proven, nothing can really.

The chance of evolution is so small, I can't believe it could happen. Yes Creation is the same way but it's what I believe.
Why do people in warmer climates have darker skin?
Why don't we still have tails?
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That question is like asking "do you believe in gravity?"

Evolution is.

Intelligent design is just quackery.

I didn't answer the poll.
Macro Evolution is ridiculous, not micro; micro-evolution makes sense.

Every animal on the planet coming from one common ancestor is simply not logical. And there are many many loopholes in the theory of macro-evolution, such as the ability of humans to make choices that are not based on instinct which is an action that has not been seen in any other organism on this planet. Macro-evolution also cannot explain the complexity of the human eye.

Looking away from humans, there are numerous organisms which cannot live without any of their body parts, which also breaks from macro-evolution(such as the flagellan).

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Intelligent design on the other hand is an extremely plausible explanation for the creation of the universe and the earth. It is amazing how the earth's atmosphere is perfect for the existence of organisms. If the atmosphere was even slightly more different than it is now, it might cause a catastrophe or create an unstable environment in which humans and animals alike could not live.

The earth's condition are much too perfect and exact to be created by chance, which leads to th logical conclusion that an intelligent being orchestrated the creation of our planet and the universe.
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It hasnt been proven, nothing can really.

The chance of evolution is so small, I can't believe it could happen. Yes Creation is the same way but it's what I believe.
Why do people in warmer climates have darker skin?
Why don't we still have tails?
Evolution means "(biologically) changing." It mean staying the same. The species from which we were descended had a tail, but on its way to being us, it lost its need for a tail. Without a use for the tail, the tail got smaller and smaller until it was virtually nonexistent. This ancestor actually shows itself any time a child is born with a tail.

I also love (sarcasm) that you answered somebody's question with another question. The answer to both questions involves evolution.

To not believe in evolution is to not believe that you exist.
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Intelligent design on the other hand is an extremely plausible explanation for the creation of the universe and the earth. It is amazing how the earth's atmosphere is perfect for the existence of organisms. If the atmosphere was even slightly more different than it is now, it might cause a catastrophe or create an unstable environment in which humans and animals alike could not live.

The earth's condition are much too perfect and exact to be created by chance, which leads to th logical conclusion that an intelligent being orchestrated the creation of our planet and the universe.
This part is pure pseudo-science. I'm not so worried about the challenges to evolution, though I know evolutionists already have counters to them (counters that in fact were around before the questions were asked by ID "theorists")... but the spread of this "hypothesis" you outline above is the punchline of the joke!
Of course it's a "plausible" explanation. So is the explanation given by L. Ron Hubbard in Dianetics... Ridiculous, but plausible (though I don't see how it is members of other religions can call it ridiculous without noticing the slivers in their own eyes).
The problem is that it is not provable. To be provable, something must be disprovable.
And, I'll add, the hypothesis contains a big jump in logic...
"The world is complex and we don't understand all its intracacies... therefore it must have been created by a Supreme Being". Why is that the case?
Even if evolution is disproved, the existence of God (much less your particular God) will not be proven. They are seperate hypotheses.

I actually believe in an intelligence behind the universe. The difference between me and ID "theorists" is that I know my beliefs are not necessarily scientific just because they're "plausible".
The thinking behind ID is the thinking behind conspiracy theories. Think on that a bit... jumping to a conclusion simply because some information is missing.
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Every animal on the planet coming from one common ancestor is simply not logical. And there are many many loopholes in the theory of macro-evolution, such as the ability of humans to make choices that are not based on instinct which is an action that has not been seen in any other organism on this planet. Macro-evolution also cannot explain the complexity of the human eye.
Not true it has been found that animals in fact do have free will. Here is a video for you javascript:msnvDwd('00','e3807184-515c-49bb-9871-04376c837bb8','us','hotvideo_m_edpicks','c27','msn bc','','18699863','Study:%20Fruit%20flies%20may%20 have%20free%20will')

How is not logical that we come from one animal? Just free will and our eyes? Well the free will point has been proven otherwise.

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Intelligent design on the other hand is an extremely plausible explanation for the creation of the universe and the earth. It is amazing how the earth's atmosphere is perfect for the existence of organisms. If the atmosphere was even slightly more different than it is now, it might cause a catastrophe or create an unstable environment in which humans and animals alike could not live.

The earth's condition are much too perfect and exact to be created by chance, which leads to th logical conclusion that an intelligent being orchestrated the creation of our planet and the universe.
Just because a higher power might have created our universe does not have anything to do with evolution. Just because science proves your "holy book" wrong does not mean there is no God.

How many planets do you think there are? How many other planets do we know of that have life? So don't you think out of the millions and millions of planets one would be able to support life? Just because something comes together and is a masterpiece doesn't mean it had to be done on purpose or by a greater hand.

I don't see how you could argue that cells changing to form different creatures is improbable but a God (who you and I have never seen or know to exist) putting two naked adults into a fictious garden who start the human race is probable.
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