Thread: Drug War: Success or failure?

Originally Posted by zgillis

Here is the problem with the drug war:

The drug war, started by Ronald Reagan, was right from the beginning doomed to fail. It has cost the county millions to billions in taxes.

It was Nixon that first used the phrase and who is properly credited with starting the WoD. It was Nancy Reagan that started the "Just Say No" campaign which kicked off all sorts of other propaganda and indoctrination campaigns.

Originally Posted by BleedingHeadKen

It was Nixon that first used the phrase and who is properly credited with starting the WoD. It was Nancy Reagan that started the "Just Say No" campaign which kicked off all sorts of other propaganda and indoctrination campaigns.

I think you're right. I looked it up and it was Nixon.

Originally Posted by SiliconMagician

The "success" or "failure" of the drug war is irrelevant.

What matters is the majority of people in this democratic republic for decades have decided to control the distribution of drugs to the best of the ability of law enforcement.

70% of the nation still supports the war on drugs, especially against hard drugs like heroin and cocaine.

When that number drops below 45% let me know, but I don't know a single person who supports legalization of anything stronger than marijuana.

You seem to be leaving out the "republic" part. The War on Drugs is unconstitutional, despite if the majority of the people support it. The only way to make it constitutional would be to get two thirds of Congress and three fourths of the states to pass an amendment. This is the difference between a democratic republican and a pure democracy.

Also, it's interesting that your ideology is dependent on what the majority thinks. I suppose you would've supported Adolf Hitler, seeing as he was democratically elected.

For the USA the drug user is a valuable comoditiy:

1) it keeps private prisons full with docile criminals who are mostly stoners vs filling up their prisons with violent hard to manage criminals.
2) it keeps Emergency Rooms full with addicts and people overdosed, and keeps money comming in to hospitals and treatment centers off the taxpayers dollar.
3) it allows courts and police the ability to advocate for more prisons and tax money so they can have more members for their police and public unions. This helps the construction industry greatly.
4) it keeps black and minority people down so they can't compete for work against those with barley any skills to get a job.
5) it allows the parmasutical industry the ability to control who and what they can profit off.
6) it makes therapists a ton of money for psychotherapy.
7) it creates ongoing social services jobs, and probation officer jobs for social workers, because like pedophiles, they can't stop using.
it gives public schools time off to preach about drugs so they can say they were successfull in teaching.


In general, Illegal drugs is a good money maker for any capitalist who can figure out away to make money off the war on drugs. The behavior of an addict drug user is predictable: a codependent individual who will be a return customer for the rest of his or her life. Illegal drugs will remain illegal for the very reasons I mention. And that is that there are too many people making too much money off it.

Originally Posted by Clint Torres

For the USA the drug user is a valuable comoditiy:

1) it keeps private prisons full with docile criminals who are mostly stoners vs filling up their prisons with violent hard to manage criminals.
2) it keeps Emergency Rooms full with addicts and people overdosed, and keeps money comming in to hospitals and treatment centers off the taxpayers dollar.
3) it allows courts and police the ability to advocate for more prisons and tax money so they can have more members for their police and public unions. This helps the construction industry greatly.
4) it keeps black and minority people down so they can't compete for work against those with barley any skills to get a job.
5) it allows the parmasutical industry the ability to control who and what they can profit off.
6) it makes therapists a ton of money for psychotherapy.
7) it creates ongoing social services jobs, and probation officer jobs for social workers, because like pedophiles, they can't stop using.
it gives public schools time off to preach about drugs so they can say they were successfull in teaching.


In general, Illegal drugs is a good money maker for any capitalist who can figure out away to make money off the war on drugs. The behavior of an addict drug user is predictable: a codependent individual who will be a return customer for the rest of his or her life. Illegal drugs will remain illegal for the very reasons I mention. And that is that there are too many people making too much money off it.

Completely agree.

Another good perk is the confiscation of property 'suspected' of being obtained with drug money. Some of the local drug enforcement squads are driving around in some very expensive motor vehicles.

but I don't know a single person who supports legalization of anything stronger than marijuana.

Well, here is one single person. Let's face it, the War on Drugs costs too much. And if somebody wants to kill himself with legalized heroin or meth or airplane glue, another problem gets solved.

70% of the nation still supports the war on drugs, especially against hard drugs like heroin and cocaine.

Just judging by the results of the poll, your number is off a tad. And this is a pretty conservative forum.

Originally Posted by Phoebe Bump

Just judging by the results of the poll, your number is off a tad. And this is a pretty conservative forum.

This place is pretty conservative like Tim Tebow is kind of Christian.

Originally Posted by Theodelite

Completely agree.

Another good perk is the confiscation of property 'suspected' of being obtained with drug money. Some of the local drug enforcement squads are driving around in some very expensive motor vehicles.

Never realy factored that into the mix, but you are correct. Police agencies do make a lot on confiscated drug dealers property.

Another reason drugs will not be leaglized.

Originally Posted by BleedingHeadKen

It's not really a war on drugs, it's a war on human behavior. The government is in league with the pharmaceutical companies to see that you and your children take as many drugs as possible to correct behaviors it deems unacceptable. It's the attempts to self-medicate that are also deemed unacceptable and the drugs most commonly used for that purpose are branded evil, though they are often prescribed to people for other issues.

Correct.
Because there are some industries that make their money off criminalizing drugs, there will never be the lobby in government weathy enough to force politicians to leaglize weed and other drugs. Untill stoners and drug dealers form an association and lobby the politicians with real money and favors for their politicial families, legalization of drugs will never happen. Plus, the competition for the stoners would be one of the most powerfull lobbys in the USA, the pharmacutical and medical industry. If stoners can outspend them on political favors, than they may have a chance.

But as unmotivated and lazy as stoners are, they stand no chance. LOL.