Thread: What do you choose?

Originally Posted by Ostap Bender

LOL,

300 millions victims of socialism were not enough, one billion is probably better!

And what of the millions left to starve and die in the streets for selfish capitalist greed?

Originally Posted by Ostap Bender

Guys, stop dreaming!

Either you allow True Christians to establish Traditional Values again or you will study Quran!
There is not any other choice

That's not even a choice. Muslim caliphate or Christian theocracy, same difference.

Originally Posted by The Real American Thinker

That's not even a choice. Muslim caliphate or Christian theocracy, same difference.

With Muslim theocracy you get sharia law (good old fashioned head chopping, hand chopping, stoning to death punishments) & if a Sunni you may be required to strap on a suicide belt believing you are going to heaven as a martyr but in fact according to the prophet Mohamed going straight to hell.
In a modern christian country such as Australia or Russia nobody is executed for committing a civilian crime. The United States however is second only to atheist communist China in the number of executions carried out each year.

Originally Posted by Ostap Bender

It seems more and more people begin to understand in the western world, that something is going wrong, and almost no one western country can survive longer as fifty years.The entirely economical and social model is wrong, it is highly probably that western democracies will finished as caliphates or colonies of China.We can surely "thank" our left-wing "friends" for forcing of socialism, liberalism, feminism, sodomy, abortions and other leftists dreams. We have very low birth rates, no churches, no moral, no values anymore. Also, I invite you to discussion, what would better, should we resurrect Christianity and Traditional values as only possibility to stop our decline or to allow our countries to became extremely poor and weak United Caliphates and China colonies without any trace of manufacturing, freedom and science.

(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing about the immorality and practices of the modern culture. A favored past time of old folks and fundies for decades.

Originally Posted by DarkDaimon

Sorry, I'm not going to go for your fallacious choices. Instead, I will give you my example of a perfect world as sung in the song "Imagine".

"Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace

You, you may say
I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one"

- John Lennon

Yeah it's a little cliche and hippy-ish(?) but I doubt truer words have been spoken.

I have a feeling OB doesn't feel that same way.

Yes..and free lollipops and unicorn rides for everyone.

Originally Posted by freddy62

With Muslim theocracy you get sharia law (good old fashioned head chopping, hand chopping, stoning to death punishments) & if a Sunni you may be required to strap on a suicide belt believing you are going to heaven as a martyr but in fact according to the prophet Mohamed going straight to hell.
In a modern christian country such as Australia or Russia nobody is executed for committing a civilian crime. The United States however is second only to atheist communist China in the number of executions carried out each year.

Unless you're a non-Christian, gay, socialist liberal or a foreigner. Then Christians have no problem killing you.

Originally Posted by The Real American Thinker

Unless you're a non-Christian, gay, socialist liberal or a foreigner. Then Christians have no problem killing you.

In Australia where I live there is no capitol punishment & the Church leaders support that situation.

Victorian Council of Churches
Social Questions Commission
Death Penalty Position
March 2009
The churches and church bodies that make up the Victorian Council of Churches either hold
a position that the death penalty should never be applied (such as the Salvation Army, the
Uniting Church in Australia, the Anglican Diocese of Melbourne) or that it can only be used in
cases of absolute necessity, but that such cases are very rare, if practically non-existent (as
in the case of the Anglican Church and Catholic Church).
Examples of the Death Penalty
Case 1
Atefeh Rajabi Sahaaleh, aged 16, was hanged for repeated “crimes against chastity” on 15
August 2004. She was executed in public, in the centre of the town of Neka in northern Iran.
The execution was carried out despite reports that Atefeh Rajabi was not believed to be
mentally competent and that she did not have access to effective legal defence at any stage.
During the trial, Atefeh Rajabi is said to have lost her temper, shouted at the judge that she
had been the victim of acts carried out by an older man, and thrown off her headscarf in
protest. The judge reportedly reprimanded her and later said she had “undressed in public”.
Case 2
Philip Workman, aged 53, was executed by lethal injection in Tennessee on 9 May 2007
despite evidence that a key state witness had lied at his trial and that Lieutenant Ronald
Oliver, the police officer that Philip Workman was convicted of murdering during a 1981
robbery, may have been accidentally shot by a fellow police officer. Philip Workman had
been on death row for 25 years.
Case 3
In the early morning of New Year’s Eve 1921, the naked body of 12 year old Alma Tirtschke
was found in Gun Alley, a dead end lane off Melbourne’s Little Collins Street. She had been
raped and strangled. Saloonkeeper Colin Campbell Ross was charged with her murder and
hanged at Melbourne Gaol on 24 April 1922, protesting his innocence to the end.
In the 1990s it was found that the crucial prosecution evidence that hair samples found on
Ross’s blanket that were said to be those of Alma were found not to match. In 2008 the
Victorian Government squashed the conviction of Colin Campbell Ross after the assessment
of three Judges of the Supreme Court that Ross was innocent. The Ross family had suffered
a very long time with the knowledge that an innocent relative had been executed by the State
for a horrendous crime he did not commit.
The Death Penalty and Theology
Love and mercy are two of the abiding values of the Christian faith.
At the heart of the Christian faith is a death penalty story. It provides the most obvious model
as to why Christians should oppose the death penalty. Jesus Christ was arrested on trumped
up charges that were politically motivated by religious leaders desperate to hold on to their
power. He was beaten up and handed over to the Roman authorities. The Roman in charge
of the occupying forces in Jerusalem at the time believed that Jesus had done nothing
wrong, but handed Him over to be executed to maintain peace and order in Jerusalem.
Jesus was then tortured before being executed by the slow and painful technique of
crucifixion, which the Romans designed to be drawn out and cruel. The story of Jesus is one that says that violence cannot be truly overcome by the use of
more violence. On the one occasion in the Bible when Jesus was directly asked about the
death penalty – the stoning of a woman to death for having sex with a man who was not her
husband (John – his answer was “Let the one who is without sin among you cast the first
stone”. The crowd dispersed and when Jesus looked up the accused woman was the only
person there with Jesus. Jesus asks the woman “Where are they? Is there no one left to
condemn you?” “No one, sir”, she answered. “Well then,” Jesus said, “I do not condemn you
either. Go, but do not sin again.”
The spirit and ministry of Jesus of Nazareth is one where the offender is held to account, but
where there is endeavour to restore the offender so that he/she can be included again in the
community. Jesus’ justice shows that reconciliation is only possible by inclusion in the
community.
Jesus also speaks against taking revenge “You have heard it said ‘An eye for an eye, and a
tooth for a tooth’, but now I tell you: do not take revenge on someone who wrongs you”
(Matthew 5:38-39). A cycle of violence can only truly be broken by love, compassion and
understanding. There are alternatives to violence if we will but recognise and promote them.
They may not be as spectacular as quick fix violent retaliation but they are more real and
long lasting.

The World Council of Churches (WCC) Central Committee passed a recommendation in
1971 to “promote efforts toward the abolition of capital punishment as a significant
expression of our belief in the sanctity of life.” Further, the WCC Central Committee adopted
a position of total opposition to the death penalty in March 1990. They argued that “all human
beings created in God’s image have inherent dignity and are of infinite worth, and that the
taking of human life by the state is against the will of God.” Further, “the institutionalised
taking of human life prevents the redemption and reconciliation of the offender and is
contrary to Christian love as revealed in the New Testament.”

http://www.vcc.org.au/VCC%20SQuestio...on%20Death.pdf

Originally Posted by Iriemon

Why in the hell should we do

If you want to avoid to became Caliphate you will do it.

Originally Posted by BullsLawDan

And yet, despite your statements, the objective facts show that life in the entire world, but the western world especially, is better than ever.

LOL,

are you joking, try to get job somewhere in the rust bell.You know the US has lost almost eighth million jobs since begin the recession.Almost everything is getting worser everywhere in the western world, only China and probably Muslim world will dominate us in thirty years.

Originally Posted by DeathsDisciple47

We are NOT a Theocracy. Not all of us Americans are bible-thumping Christians, you know. And what proof do you have that we will study the Qur'an? If anything America will eventually go into Atheism (or "Godlessness").

As born-again church going "bible-thumping" Christian I claim that only Strong Fundamentalist US-Churches can still save the Western World.

And here are the proofs you need:

http://www.islam-watch.org/IW/links.htm