Thread: Vote: is prostitution acceptable or unacceptable?

Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce

I think your entire post is full of (*)(*)(*)(*). In those places where it is large-scale-legal, everything is better for the girls/women than in places where there are pimps, streetcorners, more drugs, etc. Its not even close.

I have been in the dark dens of both scenarios. And your post is full of crap.

Right, a paratrooper from the 82nd is going to tell me what reality is? After spending several years in Korea, perhaps you'd like to me to regail the tails of what I had to perform UCMJ on boys just such as yourself for what they did to women? What its like to pull courtesy patrol as a young officer and find just what happens in those seedy joints between Soldiers and the juicy girls?

YOu really want to even attempt to lecture me about what you know tough guy? Go right ahead. The day I allow my profession to be smeared in the support of human slavery rather than its eradiction will be a very, very cold day in hell. We serve to protect the innocent, not take advantage of them. If you doubt me paratrooper - you'd best check your Army values and the UCMJ. There is a reason we have high standards.

Now, are you through bucking up? Because I will very much call BS on your stuff in a heart beat kiddo.

Originally Posted by The XL

Prostitution should absolutely be legal. Anyone has the right to do with their bodies what they see fit.

Yep, anyone ha sthe ability to be enslaved and raped, and, apparently, we have yet another John who will willingly turn a blind eye to the fact that legalized prostitution makes slavery, rape, abuse, pimping, and all those other bad things we supposedly care about worse. Do you?

If my 16-year-old daughter wants to be a prostitute, then that’s fine... it’s more honest than banking

You are mixing legal prostitution with illegal one and this is not honest , when someone mentions working in grape farms people understand freelancing manual labourers gathering grapes not slaves in chains doing it .

Originally Posted by mutmekep

If my 16-year-old daughter wants to be a prostitute, then that’s fine... it’s more honest than banking

You are mixing legal prostitution with illegal one and this is not honest , when someone mentions working in grape farms people understand freelancing manual labourers gathering grapes not slaves in chains doing it .

That is their only real argument, doesn't matter if it is irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Neutral

You don't make policy based on a small minority - especially when slavery is result.

Says the individual who has based a whole self-righteous, more than insulting, almost irrational rant on a concept of slavery based on an extremely small minority of 130 people in San Francisco dating from 1998..in a thread, which, incidentally is not entitled the correlation between illegal prostitution and sex slavery....who has, in fact, conducted himself on this whole thread from a level of personal moral certainty which would appear to be at a level just below that of God. Funnily enough......the same kind of moral certainty which has prompted one of my close relations to remove from the Church of Scotland because one congregation 100 miles away called a gay minister to its charge, and as a result of this blatant flouting of God's Laws, has reverted to being the Wee Free of childhood....and is now soaked in specific irrational Biblical interpretation.

I did you the courtesy of actually reading all of this thread and checking out every link you have posted...none of which have actual defined, proven figures, but lots of estimated ones which vary widely...not to say wildly, possibly depending on the mindset of those in charge of the websites..and many of which date from 10-15 years ago.

Have you done me the same courtesy of checking out my links.....which report how In the story of UK sex trafficking, the conclusions of academics who study the sex trade have been subjected to the same treatment as the restrained reports of intelligence analysts who studied Iraqi weapons – stripped of caution, stretched to their most alarming possible meaning and tossed into the public domain. There, they have been picked up by the media who have stretched them even further in stories which have then been treated as reliable sources by politicians, who in turn provided quotes for more misleading stories.

The conclusion of the Guardian article, from which the above opening quote was taken, and a link to which I have included in a previous post is However, the key point is that on the sidelines of a debate which has been dominated by ideology, a chorus of alarm from the prostitutes themselves is singing out virtually unheard. In the cause of protecting "thousands" of victims of trafficking, Harriet Harman, the deputy Labour leader and minister for women and equality, has led the parliamentary campaign for a law to penalise men who pay for sex with women who are "controlled for gain" even if the men do so in genuine ignorance.

Repeatedly, prostitutes groups have argued that the proposal is as wrong as the trafficking estimates on which it is based, and that it will aggravate every form of jeopardy which they face in their work, whether by encouraging them to work alone in an attempt to show that they are free of control or by pressurising them to have sex without condoms to hold on to worried customers. Thus far, their voices remain largely ignored by news media and politicians who, once more, have been swept away on a tide of misinformation.

With the best will in the world....what do you consider a minority dictating policy? World wide, UN figures at their extreme worst limit, appear to say that the sexual slavery/trafficking etc affects 3% of the world population. Is that not a relatively small minority?

Stop using a thread which was not intended for you to get on your moral high horse and beat the drum of your self-perceived moral superiority to insult others and actually start your own thread to discuss the definite problem of sexual slavery if it is such an issue for you....the majority of us will join in and agree with you....but it is nothing other than hanging your opinions on the nearest shoogly peg to be sidetracking this one to change it from the OP to a diatribe regarding sexual slavery and sexual trafficking. There is such an animal as prostitution as a freely chosen lifestyle.......you may not like it,...I don't particularly myself.......but Jesus wept....what flaming right do either of us have to TELL other people what to think....and sure as hell what flaming right does anyone have to try to impose their own moral certainties on people they don't even know from Adam?

And by imposing their own moral certainties, I'm thinking of utter arrogant crap like.........we have yet another John who will willingly turn a blind eye to the fact that legalized prostitution makes slavery, rape, abuse, pimping, and all those other bad things we supposedly care about worse. and the equally arrogant crap that it appears that, having been in the military, makes you some kind of important and decent person by that fact alone, and no other bugger who has worn the uniform has or ever could behave at the superior moral level at which you have lived your whole life ...as in Right, a paratrooper from the 82nd is going to tell me what reality is? After spending several years in Korea, perhaps you'd like to me to regail the tails of what I had to perform UCMJ on boys just such as yourself for what they did to women? Maybe you should apply a question you posed to another member to yourself...and think about your response, as it applies to yourself So, as you continue to blow you stack anyone is suppose dto pay attention to your self righteous jackassery?

Never thought I'd ever say this, because over the piece, I have generally liked the vast majority of the posts of yours I have read.....but nearly all your posts on this thread have made me go blech.gif

I made my vote assuming that "always" doesn't include minors or propositions made under duress.

Assuming that we're talking about adults choosing this profession purely of their own volition, yes, it should be legal.

It's really not that different from porn -- you just don't film the act.

Originally Posted by Neutral

Yep, anyone ha sthe ability to be enslaved and raped, and, apparently, we have yet another John who will willingly turn a blind eye to the fact that legalized prostitution makes slavery, rape, abuse, pimping, and all those other bad things we supposedly care about worse. Do you?

I don't agree with the leaps in logic you're making here, but assuming you're correct for the moment... why should it matter?

Legalizing drugs would lead to more addiction, but is that any worse than having a massive market for criminals?

Vices that involve consensual acts can't really be made illegal without expecting a lot of illegal profits to be made from them. You can make gambling illegal, for example, but it doesn't stop people from doing it.

I'm not saying that we should legalize everything, but if it's a victimless crime, it should be legal.

The government isn't responsible for protecting people from themselves -- only from others.

The related human trafficking and rape issues that prostitution might affect are criminal and are not being suggested to be made legal.

A properly regulated prostitution industry would actually make it easier for law enforcement to determine the difference between consensual prostitution and sex slavery.

I don't have an answer to this because I am sure there are thousands of great looking call girls who make a couple $thousand per night who wouldn't trade prostitution for all the bank teller or cocktail waitress jobs in Manhattan. For some women it's slavery, for others it is entrepeneurship. You can't legislate against poor babes only, and neither the business community nor the madams are going to put up with legislation against call girls. And as we just found out, neither is the Secret Service.

Originally Posted by Serfin' USA

I don't agree with the leaps in logic you're making here, but assuming you're correct for the moment... why should it matter?

Legalizing drugs would lead to more addiction, but is that any worse than having a massive market for criminals?

Vices that involve consensual acts can't really be made illegal without expecting a lot of illegal profits to be made from them. You can make gambling illegal, for example, but it doesn't stop people from doing it.

I'm not saying that we should legalize everything, but if it's a victimless crime, it should be legal.

The government isn't responsible for protecting people from themselves -- only from others.

The related human trafficking and rape issues that prostitution might affect are criminal and are not being suggested to be made legal.

A properly regulated prostitution industry would actually make it easier for law enforcement to determine the difference between consensual prostitution and sex slavery.

The simply fact of the matter is that it is you making a leap in logic. In every area where prostitution is legal, all those problem you cliam are bad, trafficking, slavery, abuse, rape, expolitation - get worse. For example, most estimates of Amsterdam prostitutes are about 80% foreign - most of them trafficked. Do you know what happens to women who are trafficked in route to a destination city?

Its not a leap in logic simply because you don't like where the data leads. Its something I have seen time and again, its something the data on human trafficking supports again and again, but despite that, certain men - and its all men - think legalizing it will make everything OK? How?

And how do you actually deal with the reality of places like Amsterdam?

By very logically ignoring it? And then accuse someone else of making a leap in logic?

Originally Posted by Phoebe Bump

I don't have an answer to this because I am sure there are thousands of great looking call girls who make a couple $thousand per night who wouldn't trade prostitution for all the bank teller or cocktail waitress jobs in Manhattan. For some women it's slavery, for others it is entrepeneurship. You can't legislate against poor babes only, and neither the business community nor the madams are going to put up with legislation against call girls. And as we just found out, neither is the Secret Service.

Yep, what a wonderful thing to have the Presidents security compromises, his office embarassed by ... well, what happened was just business? The only thing unusual about that night was the fact that the press got a hold of it. So tell me, what happens when a high class call girl gets stiffed?