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View Poll Results: Was the War in Iraq part of the war on terrorism?
Yes, it has reduced the risk of terrorism 75 32.75%
No, it has actually created a new source for terrorism in the world 154 67.25%
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Old 07-17-2005, 01:22 PM
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Because we elect the people that make the policy that controls it. We control it by proxy.

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i'm sorry that wasnt much help. let me ask you how old are you?
and i really dont know how to say this without being rude, but you sir are a TOTAL ninkompoop. BY DEFAULT. i will not bother to explain why, but people who know about federal reserve, ask them to explain. as most of the time, you're making things up as you go and have NO IDEA what you're talking about.
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i'm sorry that wasnt much help. let me ask you how old are you?
This is an anonymous forum, so such questions are pointless.

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and i really dont know how to say this without being rude, but you sir are a TOTAL ninkompoop.
I'll try to pick up the pieces and go on with my life.

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i will not bother to explain why, but people who know about federal reserve, ask them to explain. as most of the time, you're making things up as you go and have NO IDEA what you're talking about.
If you say so.

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What makes you think the masses arent in control of America?
We were given no choice about the war, politicians claim to rule in our name yet they lie, cheat, and exploit us. Our entire economy is left in either the hands of corporations or in the hands of our gun-crazy government who either way are both capitalist exploiters who help oneanother stay rich at our expence. And although they say we live in a democracy whats the difference betwen democrats & republicans besides that one is a jack@$$ and the others a fat elephant, both pretending to oppose eachother so we'll think were in a democracy when its only a bourgeos democracy designed by and for the rich to exploit the working class.
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The war in Iraq is mostly for Oil...It shows the desperate need that America has for the Black Gold. because many terrorist countries have Oil,and trade it,America's war on terrorism is parrelel to the war on Oil. However,the war on Iraq,a country that didn't perform terror acts,isn't a war on terrorism.
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We were given no choice about the war
Yes we were. We were givin a choice last election. And the election before that.

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politicians claim to rule in our name yet they lie, cheat, and exploit us.
If so, it would seem it is our fault for re-electing them.

Or perhaps the majority doesnt agree that we were lied to, cheated, or exploited.

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Our entire economy is left in either the hands of corporations or in the hands of our gun-crazy government who either way are both capitalist exploiters who help oneanother stay rich at our expence.
Thats because a majority of Americans are gun-crazy capitalistic exploiters.

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And although they say we live in a democracy whats the difference betwen democrats & republicans besides that one is a jack@$$ and the others a fat elephant.
Other people see a difference, even if you dont. Otherwise there would no longer be two major parties. Just one.

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both pretending to oppose eachother so we'll think were in a democracy when its only a bourgeos democracy designed by and for the rich to exploit the working class.
The working class represents the majority of our population, and therefore has the power to vote them out. Why dont they?

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The war in Iraq is mostly for Oil...It shows the desperate need that America has for the Black Gold.
Oil was not the justification used for the war at any time. Please post evidence to the contrary.

If Congress and the American Masses had not been convinced Saddam was a military threat, the war would not have happened. That is the primary justification. You can argue that Congress and the American Masses were decived or manipulated (you'd be wrong, but you could argue that). But you cant say the war was about oil. No elected official I am aware of has ever said such a thing.

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However,the war on Iraq,a country that didn't perform terror acts,isn't a war on terrorism.
Assisting terrorists makes you a terrorist.
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The dynamics of the "war on terror" are such that anything we wish to deem as part of it -wallah- instantly part of it. As long as there are terrorists we can make any skirmish, assassination, or war a part of the "war on terror." It's really more of a catch-phrase than an actual war. Wars have definite attainable endings.
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Wars have definite attainable endings.
Unfortunately, Middle Eastern foreign policy does have a definite end in the minds of Washington's neoconservatives. It is black and it fuels automobiles.
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At the current moment Iraq is part of the "war on terror", but prior to the war it had very little to do with it. Essentially we created another front. Why? I don't know.
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Seems typical of the neocons. The rationalizations come into the action after the action takes place. Remember when democracy spread all over was supposed to mean no more wars? Now it seems to mean we become justified in attacking civilians in countries we don't like. The reasons change to meet the occasion. Of course that is generally how religion and culture have adapted throughout history, but I don't think it has ever before been so quick and so cold and calculated. That's why I call them Illuminati-wannabes. It's as though they read conspiracy theory books and said "Good idea!"
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...where we were to be welcomed as liberators, the streets strewn with sweet-smelling flowers...and the seeds that we had so heroically sown in the hearts of our (littler) arab brothers, of love and peace and democracy, which they would not have understood properly but for our philanthropic promptings...that these seeds would then bear fruit throughout the entire middle-east, in Egypt (ahem!), Syria, Iran (ahem!!), Saudi Arabia (say nothing!), Palestine (oh my!), Libya..etc etc etc...

and all this was to flow, we were assured by the wise, boorish ones...all this from our Iraq adventure, done for right reasons (that turned out to be untrue) by good people (who did not 'knowingly' lie about it all) out of a generous impulse (which effected huge civilian slaughter)...

the policies of Dubya and The Stray Shooter have served as the greatest instrument in radicalising Islamic youth globally, on such a scale that Osama might never have wished for in his wildest dreams...but competing fundamentalisms tend to have that affect, one on the other....the moderate middle is passed-over, while the extremes on either end are fueled for full scale lunacy...

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