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View Poll Results: Was the War in Iraq part of the war on terrorism?
Yes, it has reduced the risk of terrorism 77 32.91%
No, it has actually created a new source for terrorism in the world 157 67.09%
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Were these lies as well?
They certainly weren't accurate.

The failure of leadership on Iraq extends to both sides of the aisle; thanks for pointing that out.
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They certainly weren't accurate.

The failure of leadership on Iraq extends to both sides of the aisle; thanks for pointing that out.
But why do you think the Clinton Administration boldly concluded that Saddam had WMD?

Did Bill Clinton lie?
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Prove it. Link us to the evidence of his intent.
his intention was to go to war. iraq didnt have the wmds bush claimed they did. he lied. its that simple.
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his intention was to go to war. iraq didnt have the wmds bush claimed they did. he lied. its that simple.
Were these lies, as well?




"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
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any false statement is a lie.
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any false statement is a lie.
Really?

So Bill Clinton and Al Gore and Hillary Clinton and Carl Levin and Tom Daschle and John Kerry and Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd and Sandy Berger and Madeline Albright and Nancy Pelosi and Jay Rockefeller and Bob Graham all lied about WMD?

Do you really believe that?
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But why do you think the Clinton Administration boldly concluded that Saddam had WMD?

Did Bill Clinton lie?
Impossible to speculate; just as it's impossible to speculate about Bush's motives.

What we do know is, before being authorized to go to war, Bush said war was inevitable.
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i didnt bother checking into all those quotes. but if any of them made false statements, then they lied.
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Impossible to speculate; just as it's impossible to speculate about Bush's motives.
Then calling him a liar seems inconsistent with that view.

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What we do know is, before being authorized to go to war, Bush said war was inevitable.
It had been coming for 10 years, Saddam left us no choice.
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i didnt bother checking into all those quotes. but if any of them made false statements, then they lied.
Wait a second. What possible reason would Bill Clinton and members of his Administration have for lying about WMD in the late 90's?

Is it possible that they believed Saddam had WMD based on all the intel available to them?

If that is the case, you can hardly call Bill Clinton a liar concerning this particular matter. If you choose to insinuate that Bill Clinton lied about Saddam's WMD, please provide a reason.

Is it possible that Saddam had WMD? We all know he used them with some frequency against Iran and the Kurds.
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