Bush Said today:I hope it pays off. If in the long run the country of Iraq flourishes and democracy spreads through the middle east, then it may be worth it.

IMO one of the most significant things that happened with the Iraq fiasco was the break up the coalition in the war against terror. The US and UK had pretty much everybody on board when we went in to Aghanistan. These countries are all still on board when it comes to international co-operation against terror. France have been instrumental in the intelligence which has closed down money laundering arrangements.

When we invaded Iraq we alienated many members of the coalition who firmly believed that it would be a backward step in the war against terror. I think they have been proved to be correct. This is where the problem lies.

Senaxflatus is right to say that however we arrived here, Iraq is now a front line in the war against terror. But, we now must convince those who support the coalition against terror to get involved in Iraq after ignoring their fears and advice last year.

We should not be at the stage of trying to build a coalition of the war against terror, we already did that in 2001.

At no time was the invasion of Iraq part of the war against terror, USA and UK never even claimed it to be so. It has now become so, but I am surprised at the amount of people whose revisionist view of history actually think it was.

As the question only is whether Iraq is a part of the War on Terror, I think most people will agree that the answer is yes.

Whether invading Iraq was a part of the War on Terror or just a personal vendetta, for sure now the constantly occuring attacks in Iraq indicate that now the occupying Coalition troops are fighting terrorists, and therefore a part of the War on Terror.

iraq was terrorizin el presodente's mind!

Only time will tell. And your comment is the exact sentiment often expressed by President Bush. And it's the reason he risked it.

But I also believe it is still a huge risk that was a mistake to take. At this point in time, yes, we need to see this through. But it was a mistake. And moving forward is still a mistake to "go it alone" like President Bush does on everything. It is kind of like jumping out of an airplane with a parachute in your hand and not strapped on. A stupid thing to do. But half way down as you frantically try to get the parachute strapped on your back as you fall, the point of debating if it was a dumb idea is a little late. But that still doesn't mean that moving forward, when the election comes around, that doing such a stupid thing should not be relevent. It is relevent as far as that is not the kind of idiot that should get elected to lead again.

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"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV)

..sorry, but that's just bollocks...

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The last time this country mixed politics with religion, people got burned at the stake.

Getting sadam out of power was a good thing. But it isnt over yet! We are not at the end. [quote="SenaxFlatulus";p="1852"]
[color=blue]Stop looking back and asking "what if". Stop looking for some clear cut cause to the conflict. It's a waste of time to do that. The fact that Saddam Hussein is no longer in power is a good thing.

This is exactly what the rePIGlicans want us to do. "Dont embellish on the past so that our fraud wont be exposed." this was all a mistake in the first place. As americans, we will reap these consequences in the years to come.

Maybe i was a little "pre-emptive" in calling the war in iraq the next vietnam. but i will say that if we want to finish the job the right way, we will be over there for a long time.
Hey Senax, do you have a cousin or very close friend over in Iraq? I do. So dont get all age discriminatory on me just because i didnt grow up in the late 60s and 70s. It doesnt change what my mother and father told me about what was going on at that time.