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View Poll Results: Would You Waterboard someone if they had info that would save American lives
YES 30 58.82%
NO 15 29.41%
Maybey 5 9.80%
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We could give them a choice, listen to Hillary or be waterboarded.

I'd choose waterboarding.


Or we could give the islamo-(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s another choice, convert to Christianity or be beheaded. That's more choice than they have ever given.

You're scaring the children again. You really do need to stop making BabyJesus cry.
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If that's the case, why aren't we REALLY torturing terrorists?

If waterboarding is as bad as hooking up a car battery to a prisoners testicles [as gay as that sounds], pulling out their fingernails with pliers, beating the crap out of them with baseball bats, drilling their teeth, throwing them off roofs while blindfolded, raping them [as gay as that sounds], hanging them from their arms which are bound behind them, chopping off their hands, stabbing them in the eyes, etc.......why don't we just do all of those things?
(sorry if my English is not good)

Because those methods create permanent damages, and waterboarding don't leave permanent damages.
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Because those methods create permanent damages, and waterboarding don't leave permanent damages.
Ah, so then waterboarding isn't really torture.
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Ah, so then waterboarding isn't really torture.
Absolutely not! There's a lot of torture's that not leave permanent damages.

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Absolutely not! There's a lot of torture's that not leave permanent damages.
Ooooo, tell me more!!!
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Ooooo, tell me more!!!
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Excluding the psycological tortures, exists a lot of torture's methods that not leaves permanent damages and signs, for example: drowning, dunking, oxygen deprivation, sound torture, stress position, ecc...
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Excluding the psycological tortures, exists a lot of torture's methods that not leaves permanent damages and signs, for example: drowning, dunking, oxygen deprivation, sound torture, stress position, ecc...
Sounds like a typical night in a Frat House.
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Sounds like a typical night in a Frat House.
I don't think. In Frat House nobady had never die for this methods, but in prison yes.
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I don't think. In Frat House nobady had never die for this methods, but in prison yes.
You said that those forms of torture 'leave no permanent damage'.

I would consider death, 'permanent damage'.
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Hill Briefed on Waterboarding in 2002
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...120801664.html
In Meetings, Spy Panels' Chiefs Did Not Protest, Officials Say

By Joby Warrick and Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, December 9, 2007; Page A01


In September 2002, four members of Congress met in secret for a first look at a unique CIA program designed to wring vital information from reticent terrorism suspects in U.S. custody. For more than an hour, the bipartisan group, which included current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), was given a virtual tour of the CIA's overseas detention sites and the harsh techniques interrogators had devised to try to make their prisoners talk.

Among the techniques described, said two officials present, was waterboarding, a practice that years later would be condemned as torture by Democrats and some Republicans on Capitol Hill. But on that day, no objections were raised. Instead, at least two lawmakers in the room asked the CIA to push harder, two U.S. officials said.

Congressional leaders from both parties would later seize on waterboarding as a symbol of the worst excesses of the Bush administration's counterterrorism effort. The CIA last week admitted that videotape of an interrogation of one of the waterboarded detainees was destroyed in 2005 against the advice of Justice Department and White House officials, provoking allegations that its actions were illegal and the destruction was a coverup.

Yet long before "waterboarding" entered the public discourse, the CIA gave key legislative overseers about 30 private briefings, some of which included descriptions of that technique and other harsh interrogation methods, according to interviews with multiple U.S. officials with firsthand knowledge.

With one known exception, no formal objections were raised by the lawmakers briefed about the harsh methods during the two years in which waterboarding was employed, from 2002 to 2003, said Democrats and Republicans with direct knowledge of the matter. The lawmakers who held oversight roles during the period included Pelosi and Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.) and Sens. Bob Graham (D-Fla.) and John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), as well as Rep. Porter J. Goss (R-Fla.) and Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan).

Individual lawmakers' recollections of the early briefings varied dramatically, but officials present during the meetings described the reaction as mostly quiet acquiescence, if not outright support. "Among those being briefed, there was a pretty full understanding of what the CIA was doing," said Goss, who chaired the House intelligence committee from 1997 to 2004 and then served as CIA director from 2004 to 2006. "And the reaction in the room was not just approval, but encouragement."

Congressional officials say the groups' ability to challenge the practices was hampered by strict rules of secrecy that prohibited them from being able to take notes or consult legal experts or members of their own staffs. And while various officials have described the briefings as detailed and graphic, it is unclear precisely what members were told about waterboarding and how it is conducted. Several officials familiar with the briefings also recalled that the meetings were marked by an atmosphere of deep concern about the possibility of an imminent terrorist attack.

"In fairness, the environment was different then because we were closer to Sept. 11 and people were still in a panic," said one U.S. official present during the early briefings. "But there was no objecting, no hand-wringing. The attitude was, 'We don't care what you do to those guys as long as you get the information you need to protect the American people.' "

Only after information about the practice began to leak in news accounts in 2005 -- by which time the CIA had already abandoned waterboarding -- did doubts about its legality among individual lawmakers evolve into more widespread dissent. The opposition reached a boiling point this past October, when Democratic lawmakers condemned the practice during Michael B. Mukasey's confirmation hearings for attorney general.

GOP lawmakers and Bush administration officials have previously said members of Congress were well informed and were supportive of the CIA's use of harsh interrogation techniques. But the details of who in Congress knew what, and when, about waterboarding -- a form of simulated drowning that is the most extreme and widely condemned interrogation technique -- have not previously been disclosed.

U.S. law requires the CIA to inform Congress of covert activities and allows the briefings to be limited in certain highly sensitive cases to a "Gang of Eight," including the four top congressional leaders of both parties as well as the four senior intelligence committee members. In this case, most briefings about detainee programs were limited to the "Gang of Four," the top Republican and Democrat on the two committees. A few staff members were permitted to attend some of the briefings.



Concludsion: Democrats like Nancy Peloci Knew about waterboarding back in 2002 and yet THEY DID NOTHING! THEY WROTE NO LETTERS THEY MADE NO COMPLAINTS, AND THEY RAISED NOTHING BUT ENCOURAGEMENT. They were even concerened that we might not be doing enough! All Democrats/Republicans who oppose waterboarding to save American lives ARE DOING SO FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES AND ONLY POLITICAL PURPOSES!

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