Your conclusion clashes with your article- four Democrats knew, and there was "one known objection."

Perhaps Toby they held their tongues, seeing as Bush was so popular/some other reason? You really need to reign in the emotive language, doesn't help your case.

Doesn't seem particularily relevant to the discussion in any case.

Btw Billybob, just because it isn't the harshest form of torture, doesn't mean it shouldn't be condemned. Its passed a threshold, in the minds of those that oppose it.

I haven't read the whole thread. But I wanted to comment. BillyBob, you friggin' crack me up, man.

In answer to the poll topic. No way. There is no need to lower yourself to the standards of other depraved members of humanity in order to achieve a particular means. The end does not justify the means, not in the case of torture, not ever.

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We've got rules and maps and guns in our backs, but we still can't just behave ourselves. Even if to save our own lives, we are a brutal kind. The Shins

Thats right! Democrats approved of waterboarding untill they found out that they could apolitisize it to there advantage! You dont agree?

I remember when a dangerous terrorist named Winston Smith was finally caught and some advanced interrogation techniques were used on him. He confessed to willfully contracting syphillis to spread to party members. I'm glad they caught him. By the way, brother, have you heard? Chocolate rations are up. Doubleplusgood!

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Every generation needs a new revolution. -Thomas Jefferson

I voted yes, but imediatley regreted it because in a world in which our interrogators can psycically know for a fact that these guys have info which would save American lives, why would we need torture?

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"I pity those that take authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority."

"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible to live without breaking laws." – Ayn Rand

If it were still legal? Yes.

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The National Science Foundation announced the following study results on U.S. military recreation preferences:
1. Sport of choice for Marines: bowling.
2. Sport of choice for Sailors: football.
3. Sport of choice for Soldiers: baseball.
4. Sport of choice for Coast Guardsmen: tennis.
5. Sport of choice for Airmen: golf.
Notice how the farther down the list you go, the smaller their balls get.

Intimidation...recreation...pleasure.....

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“Race is an issue that I believe this nation cannot afford to ignore right now.” --Barack Obama

I would concur

Thinking about your response BB, maybe we should stop use of waterboarding, and use bathhouseing.

I think we both would sing like tweety pie! and it would cost less.

It may not work in Scotland though the scots dont like any form of water sports

Instead of waterboarding we could strap them to a chair and force them to watch Rosie Odonell undress, I'd confess to anything and everything to make that stop.

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"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything. " - Alexander Hamilton