What Type Of Economy Do You Prefer? - Page 5

Danik · #41 (**permalink**) 04-09-2008, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade

That is total fiction, and I'm sure you have no valid supporting arguments at all.

Although certainly not backed by facts, I could see something like this happening. To be honest I see it happening right now. If the majority of the population believed in working for themselves and the responsibilities of an adult, you wouldn't see the massive support that Obama, and to a lesser extent Clinton is receiving. My biggest problem with the nation as a whole is that too many people do not understand basic economics and finance. If they did, they would not be nearly as stupid as they are with their votes. In this day and age, promising free stuff at the cost of the "evil" corporations" is a ticket to election. Never mind the fact that the government is extremely inefficient at providing services or the fact that the corporations provide the majority of jobs and capital required to advance a nation economically.

In this election it seems those that are dumbest are the most active and vocal in the primaries. This is extremely disturbing.

neolocke · #42 (**permalink**) 04-16-2008, 10:15 AM

I agree with Tuatara the most succcesful economy would come from pulling concepts from all of these systems. We must be willing to see that our way is not always the right way, we must learn to COMPROMISE.

kbthiede · #43 (**permalink**) 04-20-2008, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Zach

Laissez faire capitalism in which the state concerns itself with national law enforcement, preservation of citizen's rights, and defence. ONLY.

We tried Laissez faire before (remember, the industrial revolution?) and it lead to horrible exploitation of the consumer, the worker, and the environment, all for the benefit of the elite. It won't work if we try again. Some government regulation is necessary.

The purpose of an economy is the most effective distribution of goods and services, NOT maximum profit so the rich can become richer and the poor poorer.

Ahoog69 · #44 (**permalink**) 04-25-2008, 09:47 AM

Overall, I believe a capitalistic/free-market structure is the way to go, and the less regulation by goverment, the better. However - and this is unfortunate - many industries and businesses have continued to act irresponsibly, so a need for oversight and regulation exists.

As such, if our nation's corporate/industrial entities could - on their own - behave in a responsible (dare I say "moral") manner (product safety, fair employee benefits and wages, responsible financial reporting), then we could all benefit from their success and growth without the need or temptation of socialization.

Koga · #45 (**permalink**) 04-25-2008, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Zach

Laissez faire capitalism in which the state concerns itself with national law enforcement, preservation of citizen's rights, and defence. ONLY.

That's the one I want.

I'm one of the few Laissez faire capitalists who is fighting for a nation-wide ban on abortion. Ayn Rand may have been smart, but she wasn't perfect. And good and evil is not defined by intelligence.

Chalres Manson is a smart guy, but deffinitely not someone who's morals you should take after.

97240sx · #46 (**permalink**) 04-25-2008, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Xandufar

In the last three decades, we have clearly moved closer to laissez-faire. Just look at the deregulation of energy and banking, and note the consequences.

just around the time Reagan fired the air traffic controllers...

TM2 · #47 (**permalink**) 04-26-2008, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Skeptikos Examiner

Feeding the unsuccessful and dependent people that could otherwise not survive and thus allowing them to reproduce comes down to genetics! Natural selection in nature means that those unable to secure their own survival do not survive and thus give room for those more successful, a process which benefits the whole species and has triggered the development from the most primitive being to intelligent life (well as much as humans can be count as such) A welfare state often not only stops natural selection but turns it around, socialization means that third worlders are being subsidized to outbreed the people of more successful nations like Japan and Europe by factors of 4:1 or more!

They are starving - we send them food - they increse reproduction till they are starving again - we send them more food - they increase reproduction again - ad infinitum till there is no one left that could send them anymore food.

When this happens humanity will have become unable to support civilization anylonger, than the welfare state will necessarily end and natural selection starts to kick in again. But do we really have to go there? This road will cost billions of lifes and in the end humans will have to start over from scratch which means a second run through all the misery and hardships our ancestors had to endure since the stone age!

This is sick. Consider for a moment who we are talking about these are people humans in terms of economics(and anywhere else) natural selection is a sick and twisted theory, not to mention the fact there is no evidence for this except for a few old cracpots. But instead of looking at the ethics of the situation its abandoned for this foolishness ( no offense to the poster intended)

Ivan · #48 (**permalink**) 04-28-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TM2

This is sick. Consider for a moment who we are talking about these are people humans in terms of economics(and anywhere else) natural selection is a sick and twisted theory, not to mention the fact there is no evidence for this except for a few old cracpots. But instead of looking at the ethics of the situation its abandoned for this foolishness ( no offense to the poster intended)

Natural selection is pretty natural...And there's actually a lot of evidence for natural selection...But I don't agree with Social Darwinism as much...it's a cool concept though.

JavaBlack · #49 (**permalink**) 05-02-2008, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ivan

Natural selection is pretty natural...And there's actually a lot of evidence for natural selection...But I don't agree with Social Darwinism as much...it's a cool concept though.

Ironically natural selection seems to have selected for us to oppose social darwininsm on a visceral level.

Helping out the weaker members of our tribe leads to a tribal unit more capable of survival.

97240sx · #50 (**permalink**) 05-04-2008, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by JavaBlack

Ironically natural selection seems to have selected for us to oppose social darwininsm on a visceral level.

Helping out the weaker members of our tribe leads to a tribal unit more capable of survival.

Right. We observe reciporicating and symbiotic relationships in nature where species benefit from each other.

Also, the fact that we evolved the cerebral cortex means that we should use it to it's full capacity and at least consider all options before we decide whether or not to help others. I think we are at a unique time in history when we actually have the choice about which direction we will continue to evolve. Laissez-faire capitalism is surely leaning more toward the philosophy of "survival of the fittest" than say something like, socialism.

My question is: What's so bad about helping others? What sacrifices would you be willing to make personally so that people aren't forced to literally eat baked mud?

View Poll Results: What Type Of Economy Do You Prefer?
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Socialism	14	19.18%
Communism	1	1.37%
Other	11	15.07%
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