Thanks C-D-P for taking the time to read my post - I appreciate it.

On June 9 2000, the Washington Post and New York Times both reported the figure of 1.7 million dead in the Congo without challenge. The media reported the figures with essentially zero mention of any concerns about the validity of the methodology used. The same methodology was used in relation to Iraqi deaths post-invasion in 2003 but it was during this time that the methodology became a hot political potato. Instead, the media preferred to cite the more controversial and now discredited Iraq Body Count (IBC) figures.

As with the Congo, the study into the deaths of Iraqi's was undertaken by Les Roberts of the John Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health on 6 October 2006 and published in the medical journal The Lancet, where he stated that "655,000 excess deaths had occured since the 2003 invasion". To repeat then, the Congo methodology was widely accepted and reported but when this exact same methodology was used in relation to Iraq the media decided to cite the IBC figures instead. The inference that can be reasonably drawn is that the IBC figures, rather than the Lancet figures, were cited for political reasons.

On September 14 2007 a report by the British polling organisation, Opinion Research Business (ORB) revealed that 1.2 million Iraqi civilians "have been murdered" since the March 2003 US-UK invasion" (http://www.opinion.co.uk/Newsroom_de...aspx?Newsld=78)

ORB is no dissident, anti-war outfit; it is a respected polling company that has conducted studies for customers as mainstream as the BBC and the Conservative Party.

As far as the the amount of displaced Iraqi's and those injured are concerned go to:

http://www.medialens.org/alerts/07/0...celess_and.php

Hairy. Either give sources for all of your claims in your previous post, or none of them.

The links you gave do not back all your claims. Please try again. We are not talking about the congo. But if you would like to talk about the numbers dead, I am sure we can bring up how they did not actually follow through on anything.

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HA.

Patreaus won't even say as much.

wonder how much they made in 8 years in nam. and korea. and a ton in 2 world wars. gettin' the pic?????

I give up with you - I am wasting my valuable time. You are selective in what you choose to read. I mentioned the Congo to illustrate the duplicity of the media's reporting of Iraqi deaths. Just for your benefit I'll summarise again, as you clearly have some kind of mental blockage in your brain. The methodology used to ascertain the amount of dead in war had, until Iraq, been widely accepted by the media and reported on. Since Iraq, the media deliberately chose to use the much lower Iraq Body Count figures, rather than the far higher Lancet and OBC figures, clearly for political purposes.

I thought you were going to give up?

So you are still not going to back your claims. Noted.

The fact of the matter here is this. No one knows the true number of dead.

The DoD does not track it (to the best of my knowledge). The Iraqi government has admitted that they can not reliably track it. Do you smell what I am stepping in?

At one point a study done by Columbia University School of Nursing and Al-Mustansiriya University in Baghdad said that the number ranged between 8,000 and 194,000. Another study said upwards of a million.

British Medact has changed their numbers back and forth the whole time.

At one point I remember reading an article in Marine Times that said the number was changed because they found out that some of their sources were counting sick and lame deaths into the count.


There is no reliable information out there on how many Iraqis have died.

Please do not trust anti war sites to give you the truth. Because no one knows for sure.

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What we do know for sure is that they are dying.