I think I would support the war but it would have to be an air war, we destroy their reactor and defences but no US Troops on Irani soil and no rebuilding

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Aint but three things in this world thats worth a solitary dime,
But old dogs and children and watermelon wine.
Tom T. Hall
http://www.obamatruth.org/

your barbaric ideas are total savageness, and yet you call a 5 thousand years civilization savages. LOL

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Darkness imprisoning me
All that I see
Absolute horror
I cannot live
I cannot die
Trapped in myself
Body my holding cell

Land mine has taken my sight
Taken my speech
Taken my hearing
Taken my arms
Taken my legs
Taken my soul
Left me with life in hell

Well I don't entirely agree with EQ. But as far as politics goes you aren't a 5,000 year old civilization. Maybe a 5,000 year or old race, or maybe for 5,000 years there has been some form of civilization. But really as a government you're younger than the US. And as a culture I'd say you're somewhat younger than Islam.

Personally I think if it does come to war we should get Iran a chance to see if what they have is democratic enough to change policy. Their own leaders are telling them that the nuke plants are for peaceful purposes. In theory some subset of the population believes this. Therefore they would feel betrayed if Iran shuts down the plant to extract the fuel to process into bombs, and might feel it was their government and their lies that brought the resulting bombs in.

It's be more problematic if Israel bombs their plant before it can even get up and running. Which I think is a significant risk since once it's operational bombing it would be a major ecological disaster.

LOL. islam has never been civilized. 5,000 years of stoning women you fear, murdering people who are gay, molesting, raping, and selling children, enforcing your stupid economic and totalitarian political ideologies of evil and oppression on your poor victims, embracing terrorism...

And then you call a Westerner a savage? Maybe if you read some of the books you keep quoting you could start to understand some of the ideas and philosophies of the West and see the truth of the utter evil and insanity of islam.

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Qur'an:8:39 Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.
Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

take a look at this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...slamic_history
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_the_Great

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Darkness imprisoning me
All that I see
Absolute horror
I cannot live
I cannot die
Trapped in myself
Body my holding cell

Land mine has taken my sight
Taken my speech
Taken my hearing
Taken my arms
Taken my legs
Taken my soul
Left me with life in hell

ummm... have you read the Christian Bible, in the old testament the same types of themes exist. The Koran is just being used as a way to justify political attacks on Western countries that interfere with their own states. The problem isn't the religion it is that countries that are highly Islamic want to make their citizens angry at other countreis and they are using religion as an exuse.

Many, many Islamic people can easily coexist peacefully with other religions, because those individual people don't have any other reason to feel aggressive.

Sure, I have read the bible. Its irrelevant since there is no global Christian jihad. You are simply wrong that their insane jihad is our fault. They have waged it for thousands of years and it has nothing to do with American or Western foreign policy, which is why the maniacs are committting terorrism in numerous countries not involved in the ME whatsoever or calling for the destruction of entire countries over cartoon, etc, etc.

You should read the quran before you babble out such nonsense. Its pretty much identical to spouting pro Nazi propaganda before WWII, only far worse. hitler was a saint compared to muhammed, islam's "role model."

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Qur'an:8:39 Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.
Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

I won't read I'll Show you

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Aint but three things in this world thats worth a solitary dime,
But old dogs and children and watermelon wine.
Tom T. Hall
http://www.obamatruth.org/

Uh submarinepainter , I'm not sure if you did it deliberately, but your sig isn't right.


The rest of the stuff you post would look more accurate if you straightened that out.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pa...Play.htm#other

“Other religions kill, too.”

The Muslim Game:

Bringing other religions down to the level of Islam is one of the most popular strategies of Muslim apologists when confronted with the spectacle of Islamic violence. Remember Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber? Why pick on Islam if other religions have the same problems?

The Truth:

Because they don’t.

Regardless of what his birth certificate may or may not have said, Timothy McVeigh was not a religious man. At no time did he credit his deeds to religion, quote Bible verses, or claim that he killed for God.

The so-called “members of other faiths” alluded to by Muslims are nearly always just nominal members who have no active involvement. They are neither inspired by, nor do they credit religion as Muslim terrorists do, and this is what makes it a very different matter.

Islam is associated with Islamic terrorism because that is the association that the terrorists themselves choose to make.

Muslims who compare crime committed by people who happen to be nominal members of other religions to religious terror committed explicitly in the name of Islam are comparing apples to oranges.

Yes, some of the abortion clinic bombers were religious (as Muslims enjoy pointing out), but consider the scope of the problem. There were five deadly attacks over a 35 year period in the U.S. Seven people died. This is an average of one death every five years.

By contrast, Islamic terrorists staged nearly ten thousand deadly attacks in just the six years following September 11th, 2001. If one goes back to 1971, when Muslim armies in Bangladesh began the mass slaughter of Hindus, through the years of Jihad in the Sudan, Kashmir and Algeria, and the present-day Sunni-Shia violence in Iraq, the number of innocents killed in the name of Islam probably exceeds five million over this same period.

In the last six years, there have been perhaps a dozen or so religiously-inspired killings by people of all other faiths combined. No other religion produces the killing sprees that Islam does nearly every day of the year. Neither do they have verses in their holy texts that arguably support it. Nor do they have large groups across the globe dedicated to the mass murder of people who worship a different god, as the broader community of believers struggles with ambivalence and a radical clergy that supports the terror.

Muslims may like to pretend that other religions are just as subject to "misinterpretation" as is their “perfect” one, but the reality speaks of something far worse.

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Qur'an:8:39 Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.
Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.