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View Poll Results: Is the USA a bad country?
What America Does is Right 13 41.94%
What America Does is Wrong 1 3.23%
America is a War Mongering, Racist, Greedy Country 3 9.68%
America Does the Right Things, But For The Wrong Reasons 1 3.23%
America's Mistakes OverShadows Americas Good Doings 13 41.94%
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Old 06-07-2008, 09:56 AM
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I couldn't even answer the poll. Some of the choices are virtually identical. I mean, choice 1 and 4 is the same and choice 2 and 3 are the same. Anyway...
By "America", I assume what you mean is the US government. The average citizen really has no say in what "America" does. And it is hard to judge America. In one sense, it is so good that it belongs in it's own category, judged by a higher standard. But on the other hand, it fails miserably when judged by that standard. For instance, people in many countries have no expectation of a right to peaceably assemble. They know the men in black ski masks will bust them up. Americans DO expect that our rights as we see them are upheld by the government. That's the higher standard. But then our government goes and hires a bunch of ski-masked men for our cities, with the highest-tech crowd dispersal technology on Earth. There are many other examples that could be listed when America has let us down. Generally we are disappointed because we (rightly) expect more from America - That's why our heroic soldiers died, right? So that our country would be better? Or did they just die because the government told them to? All in all I am inclined to think that America is evil, but the whole world is evil. By relativistic standards, America is OK (though too big for its britches).
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I think the thing that bothers me the most is a lot of the time, we think we are doing good when in reality we are doing a world of hurt.

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My choice is: America's Mistakes OverShadows Americas Good Doings.

As I have stated in another thread, are the Liberals responsible for the America bashing around the World, by filling their liberal controlled media around the world with their half truths, untruths, and out right lies about the ills of their country.

The human race is inherently Evil (imaginative human mind in a instinctive animistic body). America was and still is the driving force against this Evil that is at the core of every human being.

Now America is in trouble, because the movement that fought so hard for the betterment of humanity (liberal movement) has become the movement of hate. The core of their movement is for the destruction of life (abortion), the destruction of family values (gay rights, ect...), and worst of all, the hatred for their own country and the hope for its destruction.

I as a Canadian am free only because, there was an America to defend my freedom from the Evil of the World. This is why I have such a dislike for liberals right now, because they have come to epitomize the fact that "stupid is what stupid does". Liberalism has became a bad word in my mind, and a threat to Goodness.

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That is pretty much the opinion of the world. Well, at least definitely from the Middle-East for sure and other parts of the world.

You hear it all the time:

America's so racist. America's so greedy. America's a war monger, etc.

Yet. If history books and veterans taught me something. It was mainly America who stopped Germany and the Nazis against systematically killing Jews, Blacks, Homos, Handicap, etc. It was America who was mainly the one's who stopped a white country from killing minorities of race, and sexual origin, and physical being.
It was America who lost hundreds of thousands of men and woman to beliefs of what we hold as a country. Freedom of speech, religion, race, etc.

It's only America who has a gigantic statue sitting on its shore for all to see that says:


"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

The United States of America donates more food than any other country. I believe it was said about 5 times as much as Europe. Now take that into consideration. America alone donates 5 times as much food as the next CONTINENT does! Excuse me for not being able to find that source. But it is true, and if you can find it, please link it.
America has its own poor, and its own starving people. Maybe not as much as the next country, but we still have our own to take care of. Yet, we manage to still donate more food as a country, than the whole of Western Europe.

Now, whether or not it was America's right to go into Iraq or Afghanistan, it made a positive difference in the lives of the innocent people, given there isn't the peace that we'd hope there would be at this time. It's still a whole lot better than when the Taliban was claiming Afghanistan as their stronghold. It's still a whole lot better than when a notorious murderer reigned over Iraq.
Again, given Iraq isn't a peaceful country at this point. It was 100 times worse than when Saddam Hussein ruled.(Now the only thing we probably regret is not getting the oil, )

For all of the wrong America has done, it's made up for it throughout the years.

But because we won't allow people who've come into our country illegally STAY HERE. Or because we won't allow a terrorist organization to crash planes into our buildings and kill thousands of American's, we're labeled evil.

Right or Wrong?
Actually, millions of Jews, Poles, and Russians would have been spared the deaths and torture of the Nazi Regime if we had gotten involved sooner. We waited until it was most beneficial to us to join the Allied Forces.

America was built on the foundation that all men are created equal and yet we kill or sunjugate all people we feel are lower than us or if they have somethinbg we want to exploit.

Although you and I do not partake in this avarice, it is our complicity that brings us guilt and shame. And diatribes like this show that most Americans will believe anything the boobtube spews at us via Fox and Network news.
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The American Government is evil and corrupt, it always have been that way from the time we stole Mexican land to our west up to current day invasion of the Middle East. I am not saying that its only the American Government, just about all of the worlds governments are evil and corrupt in my opinion.
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Really?

Have you told Jesus Christ these little bits of moral cornerstones?

The USA makes up 6% of the worlds population and yet consumes about 30% of the worlds resources and energy (as well as about a third of the worlds waste and pollution)

So according to you The rest of the planet must starve and perish in your waste and weapons so that the paranoid American decadence can continue.

How Christian of you!

GOD watches down upon the earth and must be very proud of the AMERICAN NIGHTMARE.
So you're saying that if we weren't using those resources, then they would? The reason some tribesman deep in the Amazon doesn't have running water and electricity is because the Americans are sucking it all up? I don't believe that is the case. And I'm not a Christian, so save it.

My take on geopolitics: High-minded ideals of global equality and all that rot is fine and dandy, but in the end don't count on any nation doing anything more than what is in her own self-interest. Is the United States greedy and self-interested? Yes, we are. But so is every other nation on this planet, and they must be in order to be successful. Those who fail are simply not competitive enough, or worse their governments are debilitatingly corrupt and inept. They champion notions of "equality" because it best suits them. And the militarily weak will try to convince the militarily strong to put down their weapons and play by their dandified rules, because that is to their advantage.

So, while I voted #3, really in effect I was voting for #1, as odd as that may sound...

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Another poll I can't answer. It seems like every poll is this way. They over simplify the options, and none of them are viable to me!!

Well then you didn't need to waste a post, spammer

I'm not a pro at making topics, but I made 4 options. 2 of them clearly state a yes or no good or bad. If that isn't viable enough for you, I don't know how to help you.
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So killing 910,000 innocent civilians in Iraq and stealing their oil is the "RIGHT THING"??

DROPPING NUCLEAR bombs on Japanese cities and frying innocent Jeapanese civilians is the "RIGHT THING"

The list is very long - I dont have much time to waste on the RIGHTEOUS things the USA is responsoble for.

I never said it was right. There are many things that America has done that I do not agree with, but I wouldn't go so far as to say America is 'pure evil'.
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I voted the 'America Does The Right Things, But For The Wrong Reasons' only because I was wasn't sure what else to vote for. I wouldn't say that what America does is right, because there are things America has done that many would argue was wrong.
I don't see America as being racist and greedy (so much) and the other options weren't options I wanted to vote for, so the second last one got my vote.
Wow, a post that actually made sense. I agree.

Just because I listed those examples, doesn't mean I believe in them. This is just an example of what people believe in.

I believe America is as corrupt and greedy as the next country. I'm not justifying it, but I'm not saying it's a bad thing either. America might not be here, and you might not have the freedom to type your opinions on this forum if there wasn't some type of greed here or there.

Some of your posts just look at the bad side of what America has done over it's history. You don't both to look at what good it's done.

Was slavery necessary? Probably not 100%.(I'm not supporting slavery at all, it's a bad) But would America be here, with the power and freedom it has today? Having the resources and ability to provide for it's people? Probably not.

Bombing Japan probably wasn't the best move. What would have happened if we didn't take drastic measures? Other than Pearl Harbor happening over again, and again, Japan was ready to attack Mainland USA, and actually tried too many times.

You guys focus on the negativity of actions. Like you got tunnel vision or something. You don't give credit for the positive outcome for the country.

What other actions did America have after being attacked at Pearl Harbor? Ask Japan not to do it again? That seriously seems to be some of your guys opinions.
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910,000 now..was 1million.....before that 1.5 million, then 1.25 million..,then 500,000, then 650,000, then 600,000...up and down up and down.

Its amazing how many people die and then come back to life only to die a month or two later before coming back with the leave them to DIE crowd.


Iraq Body Count hasn't even hit 100,000(84,328-92,004) yet and JFYI Fool the VAST majority of those deaths have been caused by Terrorists murdering people.
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