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View Poll Results: Should U.S. Phone Companies be Shielded from Lawsuits from the Surveillance Act?
Yes - National Security Trumps Privacy 9 39.13%
No - Unless the Citizen Signs a Waiver 14 60.87%
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Old 06-21-2008, 12:45 AM
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A list of times that our federal goverment restricted basic rights under the bill of rights with the intention of putting the saftey of American citizens before all rights!
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There's the matter of the 9th amendment; you know, the one that protects our unenumerated rights.
Which makes them up for interpretation.

The way you guys are acting would suggest that the founding father's used red ink and wrote a whole paragraph detailing the right to privacy from the government.

Frankly, I'm more interested in my right to life than my alleged right to privacy. But hey, that's just me.

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You do realize that the Constitution is not a shopping list that itemizes every single right we have? Here's what Madison had to say on the subject:
And you do know that it was a spat between the founding fathers over whether or not the constitution is up for interpretation that lead to today's party system?

There is no definitive argument you could make to prove that we have the right to privacy.

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So I should only care about things that directly effect me? Interesting.
It would seem logical that you care more about relevant things to your life. But hey, if you want to support crippling the government and then blaming terrorist attacks on your political adversaries, don't let logic stop you.

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Forget where the country goes. Forget principle. Forget morality. Forget ethics. Forget it all right?
Yep, I don't want terrorist attacks killing thousands of people. I'm morally bankrupt.

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Your own link says it was Franklin's original thought most certainly. I don't care who said it anyways. It is just a true statement.
You are misreading my link. It says that his original thought fits "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

The real quote was "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

If its just a "true statement" why did you have to attribute it to Benjamin Franklin? And why is it written in such a simillar manner to Franklin's quote, but omits key words essential to this argument?

I assume the goal is to make people think that the founding father's would be against bush, but I offer this.

When Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus in the border states he said something like "I would rather ignore one part of the constitution than not have a constitution to defend" Does anyone have his exact words? I think he said it a tad more eloquently..
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It would seem logical that you care more about relevant things to your life. But hey, if you want to support crippling the government and then blaming terrorist attacks on your political adversaries, don't let logic stop you.
So wait, carrying where your country goes isn't relevant to you?

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Yep, I don't want terrorist attacks killing thousands of people. I'm morally bankrupt.
Who cares about thousands of strangers dying? You only care about what is relevant to you right?

In reality, I care more about freedom. Not imaginary saftey.

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If its just a "true statement" why did you have to attribute it to Benjamin Franklin? And why is it written in such a simillar manner to Franklin's quote, but omits key words essential to this argument?
Because I was going from memory? Not word for word?

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I assume the goal is to make people think that the founding father's would be against bush, but I offer this.
Or I just can't remember the exact words of the quote.
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The way you guys are acting would suggest that the founding father's used red ink and wrote a whole paragraph detailing the right to privacy from the government.

There is no definitive argument you could make to prove that we have the right to privacy.
I guess you've never heard of the 4th Amendment.
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Yeah, privacy isnt going to do you a whole lot of good if you're dead.

Should we remove metal detectors at airports? After all, they are violating your right to privacy, right?
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Of course we shouldn't give them immunity. It was either legal or not. If it was legal then the suit will get tossed pretty quickly. They have all sorts of high priced attorney's. I'm sure they were advised. It was their call. If they screwed up, they screwed up.
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Yeah, privacy isnt going to do you a whole lot of good if you're dead.

Should we remove metal detectors at airports? After all, they are violating your right to privacy, right?
It is okay Sadistic. You believe in your false sense of security. I'll believe in freedom.
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Without security, your freedom isn't worth very much.
A wiser man than I said, "Those who would sacrifice freedom for a measure of security deserve neither."
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Yeah, privacy isnt going to do you a whole lot of good if you're dead.

Should we remove metal detectors at airports? After all, they are violating your right to privacy, right?
Here's the thing though...

You choose to go to the airport. You know the methods of security in place, and you choose to abide by them.

It's a big difference.
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