He's in my ignore box.

I agree, he or "it" as I refer to "it"...approaches Social Issues on a purely Utilitarian level.

i.e. Money.

Why don't we just kill off the infirmed and the sick...or the chronically unemployed...or those who get Cancer and can't work anymore and pay taxes. Sterilize the criminal so they can't breed more criminals. Sterilize the poor so they can't breed "little criminals" why bother with abortion in the first place...just forcibly tie their tubes.

Sounds crazy right?

Regardless of the statistical link with Crime & Abortion...a strictly Utilitarian philosophy reduces human existence to Money...and this my friend will long term result in the equivalent of a genocidal and eugenically centered Culture. The value of a person will be linked to measureable and quantifiable value.

Clearly Un-Constitutional and not what the Founding Father's had in mind.

In a word..

"It" is a hostile idiot.

people's death or lack of existence shouldn't be decided by the economic structure and i shouldn't have to pay for it you miss that point it isn't about economics here.

Uh..
But you were addressing this string to People who were ALREADY Pro-Choice.. Choice wasn't the issue. Taxpayer Funding Was.
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It's not 'Eugenics'.
It's helping women who Already want an abortion to get one.
Rich women can at will and don't need funding.
So we are talking a Social/Medical/Access issue.

That's not even 'soft' eugenics.

I also reject your Condescending 'bean-counter' and 'attitude' characterization junior.

As To Herk?

He has specifically responded to a portion of your post concerning me... despite the fact he has said he put me on ignore just 30 minutes ago. (in my own/Other abortion string: THE ABORTED CRIME WAVE? (SciAm.com) )
Inspired by this one. The authors careful to avoid the 'eugenics' charge while making a Very important observation.

So This response-via-second-hand cheap-shotting is really contemptable.
Not to mention following me/Stalking to the strings in which I'm engaged.

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Not true, Partial Birth Abortions are removed from the Birth Canal, so it's not possible that the womans physical health would be damaged by a live birth or a dead birth.

What these women do is they get a Dr. to say that their Mental Health will be damaged by having this baby, in order to get the procedure done. (Usually, it's because she found out that the Baby has some sort of Birth Defect and doesn't want to deal with it - Though I've heard of women having the procedure done because they didn't like the Sex of the child)

In a "Same Day" partial birth Abortion the Child is taken partially out, a needle stuck in the back of the head to suck out the brains and and once the head collapses they remove the rest of the Body (so it can't be called Murder, the baby was still technically inside the mother).

If more planning is available, they usually give the child an injection that stops the heart, along with some drugs that open up the Cervix so they can remove it easier. As a father of a child with Autism, I can only say that I find these procedures Horrific. My Sister in Law was told that her child would have Downs Syndrome and the Dr. tried to convince her over and over again to have an Abortion in her last month of Pregnancy and she kept telling him, "I'm not going to have that Partial Birth Abortion Procedure, I'll just deal with my child's condition". He persisted so much that she actually changed Dr's 2 weeks prior to delivery. Today, her daughter is one of the smartest little girls that I've ever met. At 6 years old, she speaks both Spanish and English perfectly and ended up starting school a year early because of her intelligence. She shows absolutely no signs of Downs Syndrome.

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America is not a Socialist country, this is why the only democrats who ever win, are democrats who SOUND like Republicans (Hello Bill Clinton - Low taxes, Free Trade, Welfare Reform, Era of Big Government Over - Sounds Republican).

You "say" eugenics like it's a bad thing. It simply means "good beginning."

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That's simply a distortion of the facts. The procedure is used when the fetus needs to be removed from the body -- *before* the time for delivery has come. That may be because the baby is dead or nonviable, or continuing the pregnancy actively threatens the health of the mother. In such a case, you don't wait for labor -- which may itself be too physically stressful. You remove the fetus with as little stress on the mother as possible.

This is more of an urban myth than anything else. Most late-term abortions are performed because of serious deformities in the baby.

Yeah... like the baby is dead, or its brain is outside its body, or it has a fatal heart defect, or the like.

Late-term abortions are exceedingly rare. Their use should be restricted, but it's simply false to portray such abortions as totally unnecessary or based solely on the whim of "weak" mothers-to-be.

I don't suppose you can actually back up that claim, and show that it was anything more than an aberration?

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Good point!

I'd favor places like Planned Parenthood receiving my tax dollars because they teach sex education.

But I oppose having my local vivisectionist receive Federal Medicare/Medicaid money for performing abortions on young girls.

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This from the Center for Disease Control (CDC) via Wikipedia --



Better than 85% of all abortions in the United States are done before the 12th week.

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And that chart doesn't even go far enough, because it stops at 20 weeks. What I would consider late-term abortions -- those performed after the 27th week, when nearly all fetuses are viable -- number fewer than 1,000 a year, out of the estimated 1.2 million abortions performed each year. So it involves 0.08% of all abortions.

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