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View Poll Results: Is Cash-for-Clunkers good or bad?
Good. I would vote for it 34 33.01%
Bad. I would vote against it. 61 59.22%
I am going to come up with a excuse to cop out on the vote because Obama is a socialist 8 7.77%
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Old 08-11-2009, 11:35 AM
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It's kind of pointless.
There are better ways the government could go about both temporary stimulus and environmental help.
How about high-speed rails... an incredibly underfunded idea (and that's even with our very low ambitions)? It would do a lot more to put people to work temporarily and decrease dependence on driving cars.

I wouldn't say it's bad... but there are greater goods that can be done for the same money... so in comparison, I guess it's bad.
what about fifty or so nuclear generators ?
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the purchaser gets new debt.
the purchaser already has an unbearable debt load.




the consumer had an unbearable debt load before the credit industry then economy subsequently crashed. Nothing has changed, but now geniuses like you think that taking on more debt is "good" and will "stimulate business".
You ain't explaining anything to anyone. You are a political dupe.

Wrong again. The questionable loans that hurt the banking industry were specifcally home mortgage loans. Everybody knows that.

It is a recognized sign of weakness to focus on the person instead of the argument. Veterans of these forums know that slamming someone on the facts is always good enough. Resorting to name-calling and attacking the individual instead of responding with substance is fudamentally weak.
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Actually, it would help if you would explain it, because no one else here has been willing to try. Is it good because government or media talking heads say it is good? Is it good for those who have their wealth taken from them so it can be spread to those businesses which are politically more popular? In your own words, please explain why government transfer of wealth to some businesses is good during a recession, and then I'll know where to take your argument. I suspect, however, that you get down on people because you can't really defend your assertions.

There have been plenty of explainations here on this thread. If you choose to ignore them, that is fine. But it isn't going to fly that they don't exist. That is a circle jerk and the rest of your post is Joe-the-Plumber level "redistribution of wealth" propaganda that is spouted off by people who like to call Obama a socialist and question his citizenship.
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its not a bail out for the auto industry! the average mpg improvement per exchange is almost DOUBLE. meaning americans will save at the pump; not just for those that got a nice new efficient vehicle but for everyone because demand drops a bit. the less % of income people spend on gas, the more they can spend elsewhere in the economy. money spend on Ford = american purchase. money spend on gas = foreign purchase. the less money flowing out of north america is a good thing.
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its not a bail out for the auto industry! the average mpg improvement per exchange is almost DOUBLE. meaning americans will save at the pump; not just for those that got a nice new efficient vehicle but for everyone because demand drops a bit. the less % of income people spend on gas, the more they can spend elsewhere in the economy. money spend on Ford = american purchase. money spend on gas = foreign purchase. the less money flowing out of north america is a good thing.
Money spend on Hyundai=foreign
Money spend on Kia= foreign
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what about fifty or so nuclear generators ?
Are they actually replacing coal plants? Then I guess so.
The only problem I have with nuclear energy is that there is no profit to be made from building the waste recycling infrastructure or more waste-efficient plants... like the nuke plants in every other developed nation that has them! In fact, these things are economically inefficient.
Because like all of our big businesses know these days, if the nuclear plants do produce a lot of waste and have nowhere to put it... guess who are going to pay for the clean up! Either that or some eminent domain thing will bury it all in some poor area. Barring that, we'll do what the Euros do and dump it in Somali waters.

Unless we get regulation on these plants so that they are up to modern standards andwe recycle the waste, I'm not for public monies going into nuclear power.
Nuclear research, yes. I don't understand why Clinton shut that down.
But if we are going to pay for plants, they better be as waste-free as possible.
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Money spend on Hyundai=foreign
Money spend on Kia= foreign
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thats still better than money going to the middle east.
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thats still better than money going to the middle east.
But it's not better than money being spent here, and far worse than money not being spent in the first place.
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not really because its also helping ford, thus creating JOBS. its not the stocks anymore, its creating jobs that we have to deal with now.
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not really because its also helping ford, thus creating JOBS. its not the stocks anymore, its creating jobs that we have to deal with now.
*sigh*....

It is *not* "creating" jobs, it's reallocating jobs that would have opened up elsewhere. These jobs are unsustainable without the government keeping them on life support, and will generate less GDP than the jobs that would have otherwise occurred because the government is inherently short-sighted, sloppy, and wasteful.
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