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View Poll Results: how do you feel about the jewish extremist being beaten to death?
he deserved it! 9 64.29%
it was wrong 5 35.71%
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Old 08-04-2005, 05:02 PM
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i was curious how our neo cons here feel about the jewish extremist being beaten to death?

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JERUSALEM - A 19-year-old Israeli soldier opened fire inside a bus Thursday, killing four Israeli Arabs before being killed by an angry mob — the deadliest attack on Arabs in Israel by a Jewish extremist since 1990.

Thirteen people, including bus passengers and two policemen, were wounded in the shooting, which appeared to be tied to tensions over this month's Israeli pullout from the Gaza Strip and parts of the West Bank.

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Old 08-05-2005, 01:26 AM
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I believe that the ones whom beaten him should also have been tried for murder aswell. What the extremist done was terribly wrong, and I would definately lock him up after trying him, like all terrorists (terrorists whom most are worse then him, and even arab terrorists, they all get a fair trial, and no death penalty either, locked up for life).

The police were going to take him into custody if it wasn't for the rock throwers and he would have gotten a trial, and most likely sent to prison for life.

Therefore I dont believe that the mob, which was mostly all Arabs, was right in stoning him to death. However what the Jewish extremist, terrorist, whatever you want to call it, did was 100% wrong and it was a dispicable act. So either way, he would have felt the same fate.

Btw, why dont you put the whole article in the post? Might I add, Ariel Sharon completely condemned the attack, labeling him as a terrorist.

EDIT: Btw, the poll is very one sided. I would have not suggested a poll at all in this post, the situation is multi sided. I would vote for the second choice but since you added "it shows how brutal the arabs are" I am not voting for it, neither many others who view this from all sides.
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Old 08-05-2005, 02:16 AM
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Btw, why dont you put the whole article in the post? Might I add, Ariel Sharon completely condemned the attack, labeling him as a terrorist.
yea yea, now that he's a leader he condones it. i did notice that, but past is his past. nothing can erase in victims memories what he did when he was younger. and to have for Israel a president who is a former terrorist will not make relations better.

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EDIT: Btw, the poll is very one sided. I would have not suggested a poll at all in this post, the situation is multi sided. I would vote for the second choice but since you added "it shows how brutal the arabs are" I am not voting for it, neither many others who view this from all sides.
sorry. that's a result of non democratic post. thats why i only had 2 choices on ballot for president.
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Old 08-05-2005, 02:21 AM
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I believe that the ones whom beaten him should also have been tried for murder aswell. What the extremist done was terribly wrong, and I would definately lock him up after trying him, like all terrorists (terrorists whom most are worse then him, and even arab terrorists, they all get a fair trial, and no death penalty either, locked up for life).

The police were going to take him into custody if it wasn't for the rock throwers and he would have gotten a trial, and most likely sent to prison for life.

Therefore I dont believe that the mob, which was mostly all Arabs, was right in stoning him to death. However what the Jewish extremist, terrorist, whatever you want to call it, did was 100% wrong and it was a dispicable act. So either way, he would have felt the same fate.

Btw, why dont you put the whole article in the post? Might I add, Ariel Sharon completely condemned the attack, labeling him as a terrorist.

EDIT: Btw, the poll is very one sided. I would have not suggested a poll at all in this post, the situation is multi sided. I would vote for the second choice but since you added "it shows how brutal the arabs are" I am not voting for it, neither many others who view this from all sides.
He was stoned to death, was he? I missed that bit, but please let me know where you got this information. Or is this a biblical stereotype subliminally at work...that would be revealing!

Further, might I suggest that if an intruder into a US suburban garden was shot to death by the property owner such an owner would be championed as having been entirely justified; when Palestinians kill a man who is in the very act of indiscriminate slaughter...they should have left it to the authorities to deal with!!!!
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Old 08-05-2005, 05:29 AM
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'There could be a lot of problems today'
A shrine of flowers stood at the scene of Thursday’s attack. Municipal cleaners were sweeping away shattered window glass.

“Our town is at the heart of the state of Israel and they are targeting people here. The state is not doing enough (to protect) its Arab citizens,” said cleaner Mounir Baki.

“It (rioting) could happen. There could be a lot of problems today. If it happens, it will be against the police because yesterday they wanted to protect this terrorist,” said Wafiq Abu Shah, referring to initial police efforts to arrest the gunman.
i wonder if that extreme scum would not have been killed on the spot, but somehow arrested by Israeli police, if he somehow would have eventually escaped and lived a happy life (while yes, being innitially condemned just the same)
i mean i am glad police did not interfere yesterday, or not to the point where they killed few more for beating him to death, but i think in a situation like this, it was definetely the right thing to do to just let the scum be beaten to death on the spot. especially if there will be no violence today, then it means it was the right thing.

but if palestinians want to take more revenge today or this week, after police bowing down to let them kill that roach on the spot and sherone condemning and stuff, then i will think palestinians are unreasonable as well.

next few days (or today) will show i guess.
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Old 08-05-2005, 06:43 AM
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I had half my post typed and my laptop shut down. I will sum up what I said though:

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yea yea, now that he's a leader he condones it. i did notice that, but past is his past. nothing can erase in victims memories what he did when he was younger. and to have for Israel a president who is a former terrorist will not make relations better.
The massacre or "terrorism" you are talking is during the Lebanese Civil War is the Sabra and Shatila Massacre. It was proven in the US against Time Magazine and in the Commission in Israel that Sharon was NOT DIRECTLY responsible for the massacre. The massacre was directly committed by Lebanese Christian Group who was sent into the city/camp to root out terrorist cells, instead they massacred hundreds of Palestinians. There is claim (not from any credible source) that Sharon was indirectly responsible for the massacre for no stopping them as they massacred the Muslim Palestinians AND Syrians, Iranians and others. However the report and commission was ran from the Legislative body of Israel, not the Justice system, therefore there is a possibility that those whom ran the commission were left winged, but hey, no one can prove it. Sharon resigned and thats it. But it IS proven that he was NOT DIRECTLY involved whatsoever, nor was any other Israeli Government Officials in the area.

And IF he was DIRECTLY responsible then why did most of the world sympathize with Yassir Arafat? He directly commited these acts of terrorism in Israel and then condemned it, and the world suddenly feels sorry for him. Similar?

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sorry. that's a result of non democratic post. thats why i only had 2 choices on ballot for president.
Hehe...

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He was stoned to death, was he? I missed that bit, but please let me know where you got this information. Or is this a biblical stereotype subliminally at work...that would be revealing!
For one, Associated Press states that he was beaten to death, BBC states he was lynched, and Chicago Tribune explores the very potential fact that he was stoned to death, since many of the windows were shatterd (but the shattered windows could have been from the bullets).

[quote-Chicago Tribune] After the attack, the bruised and bloodied body of the gunman lay on the floor of the bus surrounded by stones, raising the possibility he had been stoned to death. Link[/quote]

Fox just reported this minute that Hamas is vowing revenge for this. Funny. Who are they going to get revenge on? Innocent Israeli citizens as usual?

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Further, might I suggest that if an intruder into a US suburban garden was shot to death by the property owner such an owner would be championed as having been entirely justified;
The city that this was committed in was an ISRAELI city. Not Palestinians, Israeli Arabs.

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when Palestinians kill a man who is in the very act of indiscriminate slaughter...they should have left it to the authorities to deal with!!!!
They should leave it to authorities. This is a democratic country, like any other country, the police was in the area and he should have been given a fair trial and then put in prison. If there was a death sentence, then he would have gotten it. But this is not the behavior that should happen in any democratic country. If a shootout in New York City suddenly started, I dont think a mob of New Yorkers would jump on the shooter and kill him if the cops are around. You are making it harder for the police to get a hold of the situation and potentially begin large unrest. The man was already being subdued.

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i wonder if that extreme scum would not have been killed on the spot, but somehow arrested by Israeli police, if he somehow would have eventually escaped and lived a happy life (while yes, being innitially condemned just the same)
i mean i am glad police did not interfere yesterday, or not to the point where they killed few more for beating him to death, but i think in a situation like this, it was definetely the right thing to do to just let the scum be beaten to death on the spot. especially if there will be no violence today, then it means it was the right thing.
As said, Israel has one the toughest democratic Judiciary systems in the world. Something like this would not be left without punishment. You can quote my words.
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I'm not shedding a tear for the guy, and I don't blame the Palestinians for beating him to death.

I always prefer it when such people can be brought to trial, but when someone's firing a gun in your vicinity, you take him down in any way you can.
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I would have joined them if he tried to kill me.
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These orthodox Jews are a dangerous and fascist group. They interpret the Jewish Talmud literally and unfortunately the Jewish Talmud is not exactly a book of peace. It preaches hate and fascism if taken literally.

Something needs be done about these people.
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