Thread: Audacity of Fraud III, Who says the COLB is real?

Please provide a list of names below of people who say the COLB is real (please provide links to their statements). Factcheck.org is always cited as proof the COLB is real. However, nobody at that site is even willing to say the document they examined is genuine. In their story, by Jess Henig, with Joe Miller, neither one testifies as to the authenticity of the COLB. This is the closest they get to saying anything of the sort, "FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship." And they also state, "Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago." Notice, they never say anything about it being an authentic, or genuine, real document. There are several testaments as to what the document says, such as, "The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport:..." but again no attestation as to the actual authenticity of the document can be found on the entire http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html article.

Here is the statement of Dr. Fukino, who is also cited as someone who has confirmed its authenticity. Notice that she does not mention the COLB in either instance, nor does she say that she has seen his original Hawaiian birth certificate in either instance:

Statement #1:

For Immediate Release: October 31, 2008 08-93
STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO
“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-1 prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
“No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i.”

Statement #2:

What Dr Fukino’s statement didn’t say
By MI

Updated list of birth certificate posts
Dr Fukino’s statement #2

February 3, 2009

Extracted this from a previous post (birth certificate Update 2) to go with the new post: Why can’t just the known COLB be subpoenaed?

As far as I know, Dr Fukino has never amended or added to her original statement below.

10-31-08 Statement by Director of Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino:

There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate.

State law (Hawai’i Revised Statutes §338-1 prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.

Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai’i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai’i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

1-Original birth certificate present.

2-On file in accordance with state policies.

3-Does not mention what was on it.

4-Does not mention his place of birth.

5-Does not mention proof that barry requested his COLB or if so how many times and when.

6-Does not mention if his family requested barry’s COLB or his original long form or if so how many times and when.

7-Does not mention how long the birth certificate has been on file.

8-Does not mention any of the pertinent information: hospital, doctor, name and DOB, etc.

9-Does not mention any proof that a COLB was in fact derived from the exact original birth certificate she verified.

10-Does not provide chain of evidence proof that the COLB on factcheck was derived from the original birth certificate.

11-Does not prove in any way that the factcheck COLB – that very one – was indeed derived from the long form she verified.

I am trying to get a list of people. Here is my list so far:
Nobody.

Now, if you can name one person willing to state that the COLB is real, you must provide a link to it, otherwise, do not spam my thread.

I accidently copied the first statement twice in my OP. Here is her second statement, which again says nothing regarding the authenticity of the COLB which is on the internet, nor does she say she has seen his original Hawaiian birth certificate:

Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Hawaii State Health Director, has issued a second statement Monday, July 27th confirming President Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, HI.

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen.

I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago,” Fukino said, in hopes of ending the controversy surrounding Obama’s citizenship.

http://spotlight.vitals.com/2009/07/...l-citizenship/

Read more: http://spotlight.vitals.com/2009/07/...#ixzz1FCr8Vlf0

A Hawaiian birth is necessary but not sufficient for Obama to be a natural born citizen.

No official document of birth has ever been presented to any controlling legal authority.

A computer generated image on an internet website is not legal evidence in any court of law.

U.S. law does not have the authority to modify another nation's citizenship laws. Britain law states Obama son of Obama Sr., is a British subject at birth.

The DNC never claimed Obama was a natural born US citizen.

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Originally Posted by NaturalBorn

A Hawaiian birth is necessary but not sufficient for Obama to be a natural born citizen.

actually, US law says it's all that's required.

No official document of birth has ever been presented to any controlling legal authority.

you've been asked a hundred times what this mysterious controlling legal authority is. You have failed to ever answer it.

A computer generated image on an internet website is not legal evidence in any court of law.

actually, it's prima facie evidence acceptable in any court of law.

U.S. law does not have the authority to modify another nation's citizenship laws. Britain law states Obama son of Obama Sr., is a British subject at birth

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other countries citizenship laws have no relevance to US laws. and obama lost his british citizenship in 1963

The DNC never claimed Obama was a natural born US citizen.

lol...........

Another nutty thread on the same thing?

What is the only purpose for the Certification of Live Birth?

It serves as the official governmental document proving birth in Hawaii.

President Obama's Certification of Live Birth shows that he was born in Hawaii.

The State of Hawaii, in an official statement, said that President Obama was born in Hawaii.

That is how both the Certification of Live Birth and the State of Hawaii both agree with each other- that President Obama was born in Hawaii.

The rest is just Birther nuttiness.

Originally Posted by SFJEFF

President Obama's Certification of Live Birth shows that he was born in Hawaii.

The State of Hawaii, in an official statement, said that President Obama was born in Hawaii.

Those are the only two things that are possibly right........but, hypothetically, just because Obama was born in Hawaii still doesn't mean he is a NBC for Article 2 Section 1.

Originally Posted by rahl

you've been asked a hundred times what this mysterious controlling legal authority is. You have failed to ever answer it.

actually, it's prima facie evidence acceptable in any court of law.

The controling legal authority in this case would be a court of law, particularly, a U.S. federal court; or entered into any U.S. Congressional record or proceeding, hearing, sub-committee meeting, the U.S. House of Representatives or Senate.

You really don't know what prima facie means inspite of the many times I have pointed it out to you:

A prima facie case might not stand or fall on its own; if an opposing party introduces other evidence or asserts an affirmative defense it can only be reconciled with a full trial.

Originally Posted by Apuzzo

Those are the only two things that are possibly right........but, hypothetically, just because Obama was born in Hawaii still doesn't mean he is a NBC for Article 2 Section 1.

actually, it means exactly that. birth on US soil is all that is required.

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Originally Posted by PatriotNews

The controling legal authority in this case would be a court of law, particularly, a U.S. federal court; or entered into any U.S. Congressional record or proceeding, hearing, sub-committee meeting, the U.S. House of Representatives or Senate.

cool. all you need to do is show where any president has ever done so. shouldn't be too hard. let us know how many google hits you get.

You really don't know what prima facie means inspite of the many times I have pointed it out to you:

lol, unless evidence is presented which refutes the prima facie evidence, it stands.

Originally Posted by SFJEFF

Another nutty thread on the same thing?

What is the only purpose for the Certification of Live Birth?

It serves as the official governmental document proving birth in Hawaii.

President Obama's Certification of Live Birth shows that he was born in Hawaii.

The State of Hawaii, in an official statement, said that President Obama was born in Hawaii.

That is how both the Certification of Live Birth and the State of Hawaii both agree with each other- that President Obama was born in Hawaii.

The rest is just Birther nuttiness.

Can you read? The question on this thread is names of people who have said that the COLB is real. Judging from your post, you don't know of any, thus you are trolling yet again. Name some names, or shut up.