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Old 04-26-2009, 11:01 PM
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Maybe because he is?
Please ma'am, should me how things have improved.
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Please ma'am, should me how things have improved.
I agree Ruddy has not been a huge improvement. Aus has a lot of shame to live down.

But the "Pacific Solution" is over. That is a start

Rudd must do more
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Rudd must do more
When he is finished travelling overseas and abusing flight attendants, he may just get to work. Or perhaps he will make Julia Gillard the PM seeing she has been left in charge more often than he has?
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Or perhaps he will make Julia Gillard the PM seeing she has been left in charge more often than he has?
worse things could happen
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You can't even blame this on 9/11 fear, look at the date of the article. A three year old in restraints? These folks were refugees, not terrorists. Where was the World Community outrage then?
Screaming about real terrorists being subjected to the horrors of sharing their cell with a caterpillar!
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These are people who have attempted to enter Australian territory illegally.
Citation please. What they are doing is not illegal - it is legal until they are proven not to be refugees. Then they are illegal immigrants. Don't confuse immigrants with asylum-seekers.

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At this facility they stay, as their details given are processed, details forged are inspected and details not given are attempted to be found in order to provide clarification that they are indeed from a certain nation, are leaving for a certain reason and are indeed legitimate refugees or asylum seekers, per international law.

If they are not found to meet the basic criteria for the status, they are shipped back home.
Yep - they are LEGAL asylum seekers until they are declared refugees or not.

As per the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (Article 14)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Univers...f_Human_Rights
"Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_...Asylum_seekers
"Until a request for refuge has been accepted, the person is referred to as an asylum seeker. Only after the recognition of the asylum seeker's protection needs, he or she is officially referred to as a refugee and enjoys refugee status, which carries certain rights and obligations according to the legislation of the receiving country."

http://www.unhcr.org.au/basicdef.shtml
"An asylum seeker is a person who has left their country of origin, has applied for recognition as a refugee in another country, and is awaiting a decision on their application."

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After which these illegal immigrants, who are not refugees or asylum seekers (as we allow, in fact have done many times, allow legitimate ones into the nation), are shipped to their original country of origin.

That's right - after assessment - not before.

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The funny part was watching the Labour voters come in here and act as though their guy is any better.
He IS better. No group of politicians in the history of Australian politics will ever be worse than Howard, Ruddock, and Vanstone. When Amnesty asked Ruddock, the demoniser of refugees to stop wearing his Amnesty badge, he refused. Arrogance on top. Vanstone, the feeble-minded twit, and Howard, the PM who secretly / and not so secretly crowed and danced and looked elated when racist, Pauline Hanson arrived on the scene.

Of course Rudd is better! The fact we don't have a racist for PM any more speaks volumes. Howard's stance towards refugees was disgusting. In fact, his stance towards most things was disgusting.

When over 350 refugees died in our waters, Howard was more concerned with maintaining his vitriol and demonising of refugees - and barely acknowledged the devastating tragedy. Disgusting man.
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He IS better. No group of politicians in the history of Australian politics will ever be worse than Howard, Ruddock, and Vanstone.
Perhaps no one could ever come out with worse policies, but when new politicians are comming out with policies that are almost as bad, ON TOP of the awful ones from Howard (ie the gun ban), then they are no better. The duopoly is disgusting, and what's worse is that Australians are not having these atrocious policies imposed upon them, we are demanding them. This has to be the least educated country on earth when it comes to politics.

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Of course Rudd is better!
Please sir, demonstrate how things are any better with Rudd. Until we start allowing anyone into the country for work (provided we know who they are) I will not be happy with our immigration policy. Pretty dsturbing, since we aren't even natives.

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The fact we don't have a racist for PM any more speaks volumes.
There is no argument against an open border that is not racist, or just awfully unrealistic. Neither of them are racist, in my opinion, but both support racist policies by not fully allowing for the free movement of people.
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