Sorry doug, but the means to an end matter!! Whatever their initial motivations, the crimes against humanity they have committed since then, make any initial positive motivations(if they even existed) moot.

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There is no true opposition between liberty as such and control as such, for every liberty rests on a corresponding act of control. The true opposition is between the control that cramps the personal life and the spiritual order, and the control that is aimed at securing the external and material conditions of their free and unimpeded development.. L. T. Hobhouse

My point is that there are no good guys in this dispute. You know both sides are using child soldiers?

I meant more like this stuff


Sri Lanka Wisely Ignores Communist Plea for "Ceasefire"

Since that doesn't seem to be enough bad for you guys to condemn them, here goes.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anuradhapura_massacre


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kebithigollewa_massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Di..._truck_bombing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonagala_massacre


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehiwala_train_bombing


here is the entire list


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...dliest_attacks


Whether the other side is bad is irrelevant. They are a group who have committed disgusting actions, and to support such actions is wrong. There is no other way to look at it, it is wrong!! Now I am not defending water-boarding, but all the libs go crazy when we do that, but when a group of terrorists hack up buddhist monks with machetes, all you have to say is "well, the other side does bad stuff too" That is like when my sister was 5 and said, well he ate cookies too. Just because one group does bad things, does not justify other groups doing bad things!! If so, you could do basically anything, and just say "well look at what the nazis did!! We only killed 1 million!!"

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There is no true opposition between liberty as such and control as such, for every liberty rests on a corresponding act of control. The true opposition is between the control that cramps the personal life and the spiritual order, and the control that is aimed at securing the external and material conditions of their free and unimpeded development.. L. T. Hobhouse

Well if you're going to bring the Nazis into it let me use that analogy. What's happened in Sri Lanka is that the Nazis decided to wipe out the Jews. The Jews got some guns and started shooting back and blowing things (and people, and buildings) up. Like I said, no side is right here.

Really doug??? If you are going to continue this, I really cannot see why I should go on with this debate. Did you look at the links? At what these people did? Massacring buddhist monks on a pilgrimage. Going into a mosque while people were praying, and massacring a bunch of men and little boys. This is not a shooting back at government troops. They did not even target government assets. They attacked a mosque in the tamil controlled areas.


This is a quote from one of the links


LTTE cadres then drove to the Buddhist Sri Maha Bodhi shrine and gunned down nuns, monks and civilians as they prayed inside the Buddhist shrine.[2] This incident was designed to provoke massive retaliation by the Sinhalese majority against the Tamils in order to strengthen the LTTE's position among the Tamil people.[3]


So their goal was to get their own people killed!! This is not just another bad happening in war. This group is particularly bad, and to defend them by saying "others do bad stuff too" is wrong, and very bad reasoning and logic.

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There is no true opposition between liberty as such and control as such, for every liberty rests on a corresponding act of control. The true opposition is between the control that cramps the personal life and the spiritual order, and the control that is aimed at securing the external and material conditions of their free and unimpeded development.. L. T. Hobhouse

Frodly take some time to look at the history in the country, not just recent attacks.

I actually know the history well enough. I do not support nationalist movements as a rule. Nationalism is another way to divide people, where no real division should exist!! Many times nationalism has roots in being an oppressed minority, but they are being oppressed because of the nationalism and racism of other people. They respond with racist nationalist movements themselves. It is like Israel, why I do not support either side. Jews are a historically oppressed people. And the worst oppression they ever faced was because of the most insane nationalism ever, the nationalism of germans and nazis in particular. How do they respond to the oppression they faced from extreme nationalists, by becoming nationalists themselves!! Same thing with the PLO, another violent nationalist movement. It is ridiculous. What we should be working towards is breaking down petty differences among people, not working to build them up!!

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There is no true opposition between liberty as such and control as such, for every liberty rests on a corresponding act of control. The true opposition is between the control that cramps the personal life and the spiritual order, and the control that is aimed at securing the external and material conditions of their free and unimpeded development.. L. T. Hobhouse

Does that apply to all oppressed people? Black South Africans for example? Are all oppressed people authors of their own fate?

Wow, is that what you saw from my post? That is absolutely not what I said. Where do I say in that post, that people are the authors of their own repression? I said people respond to oppression, by acting strikingly similar to those that oppress them. That is the response, so it does not mean in any way that they are authors of their own oppression. And where you got that idea from in my post, I do not know!!

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There is no true opposition between liberty as such and control as such, for every liberty rests on a corresponding act of control. The true opposition is between the control that cramps the personal life and the spiritual order, and the control that is aimed at securing the external and material conditions of their free and unimpeded development.. L. T. Hobhouse