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Old 10-04-2005, 01:57 PM
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Default OVERLOOKED BY MEDIA-Red China:Hidden Enemy on the Prowl-

The communist government of China has been rubbing their hands together, tasting victory over the current superpower of the world- blind Enemy No. 1. Maybe, they'll war with Taiwan first for their scrimmage. If we allow that, then they'll definitely move on to higher ground. SCI-fi? I doubt it. They are our friends in disguise, just using our consumer-friendly ways.

Check it out: Made in China. Look familiar? Of course. Our USA is running out of time if we sit back and carry on. Like an hour glass of sand, our money is pouring down into their mouths, overflowing. But, they're not reciprocating! What do they purchase from the U.S.? They buy plastic to then sell varying products made of its substance back to us. Genius? What they lost to spend for materials, is nothing compared to their profit that is out of this world. We need Washington D.C. Protests against selling out our country. Cindy Sheehan- We need you. When you speak we get weak. Protest to boycott foreign products, namely China. Call for Americans to purchase USA Made products even if it's $0.25 more..fight for us, for once----
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Old 10-04-2005, 02:45 PM
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Default While China should be considered a potential threat

I don't really believe it is economic. Yes, in the short term they are developing a large trade surplus with the U.S., probably taking jobs and creating demand for oil along with us. Yet they are doing it by undervaluing their currency, carrying billions of dollars in U.S. treasuries, destroying the environment, creating a huge gap between urban and rural areas, and on and on. They can't sustain this forever. Moreover, we are tied at the hip, whether we like or not. We need them to continue to carry our huge debt, and they need our consumers to buy their stuff.
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I really don't think China qualifies as Communist any more.

Bummer; makes it harder to whip up a good Red Scare.

China is fast becoming an economic superpower, and has military ambitions to match. They bear watching.

But as bktx noted, our economies are intertwined. They need us about as much as we need them. It will be a long, long time before they rule us economically. Companies need customers.
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Default Much ado about nothing!

And I think it's fairly obvious they are not Communist anymore.
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China's 3,000+ year history should tell you that they are actually quite passive. They don't invade and conquer other lands. That's something we Westerners have a 3,000+ year tradition of doing.
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is a nuclear power with a population 50 times the size of Iraq's. Regime change?: I don't think so. Chinese leaders will have their hands full just trying to remain in power while managing the ongoing radical transformation of Chinese society.

But by all means, buy products made in the U.S. if you can find any!
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They buy plastic to then sell varying products made of its substance back to us. Genius? What they lost to spend for materials, is nothing compared to their profit that is out of this world.
We dont like to manufacture stuff, so we outsource it to nations like China. I dont see the problem. We are both benefitting. US gets cheap labor and China gets income. It isnt like we are buying stuff from them just as a favor or something.

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We need Washington D.C. Protests against selling out our country.
No, we need the common man to simply stop buying Chinese products...if you really want to make a difference. If there is no demand, China will be forced to find new markets. Dont rely on the government to babysit you. The power is in the hands of the masses ultimately.

If my goal is to see the PRC turn democratic, then capitalism is a good way towards that goal. So I dont have a problem buying Chinese products, even though I oppose the PRC.

I purchase US made products if #1) it is convenient and #2) if they are better made. Both should be possible for any US company. If they cant compete, they dont deserve my money.

Honestly, if I didnt know better I would think your post was written by a socialist. Stop blaming the government...they are just giving Americans what they want. Thats what they are supposed to do.
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China's 3,000+ year history should tell you that they are actually quite passive. They don't invade and conquer other lands.
Yeah, just ignore that whole Tibet thing...and Taiwan...

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Centralized control of resources = communist. Does the government control their resources or not?
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Default In a word: Some.

Most? No. They are closer to Europe than America with some resources, though. Under the old, Communist style command economy system, every state owned enterprise was required to have a party committee. Since market reforms started some time ago tons of economic institutions now exist in which the party has limited or no power.
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We dont like to manufacture stuff, so we outsource it to nations like China. I dont see the problem. We are both benefitting. US gets cheap labor and China gets income. It isnt like we are buying stuff from them just as a favor or something.


The problem is if we don't stay alert. How are we BOTH benefitting? The paid workers actually get paid very little. It's their government leaders that reap the benefits. A Major Avenue: Profit is then dispersed towards building a "defence" military to strengthen China's might. Our vulnerabilities will be used against us. Should we pay attention to China's intentions after the mayhem?
On Thursday, March 14, 2002, within the U.S. House, keen observations of China were put to light--such as: 2002 CIA Director George Tenet's testimony--> warned "how China's arms buildup directed at Taiwan represented an increasing risk to the United States. What may not be as apparent is how China's buildup of intermediate and long-range ballistic missiles, including the road-mobile, solid-fuel DF-31 ICBM, threaten the United States and U.S. forces in the Pacific." These intermediate and long-range ballistic missiles form part of China's Long Wall Project as explained by the Taipei Times in May 2001:

The Long Wall Project is aimed at the US, not Taiwan. The
Chinese military leadership plans to put longer-range
ballistic missiles in the southwestern provinces so that they
can cover US military targets in the Pacific . . .
They can fire, for instance, a Dong Feng-31 at a US navy
battle group shortly after the group leaves its base in
Hawaii.

Article continues:The United States has no defense against DF-31 ICBM. The U.S. Navy has no defense against the DF-31, nor does it have any defense against China's short and intermediate-range ballistic missiles, which can threaten American forces and bases in the Far East and Pacific.

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No, we need the common man to simply stop buying Chinese products...if you really want to make a difference. If there is no demand, China will be forced to find new markets. Dont rely on the government to babysit you. The power is in the hands of the masses ultimately.

Case in point. You omitted my Cindy Sheehan call-out. She can rile up the masses.

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I purchase US made products if #1) it is convenient and #2) if they are better made. Both should be possible for any US company. If they cant compete, they dont deserve my money.


Of course, the U.S. can't compete with China's cheap prices. I buy China-made goods because it doesn't always occur to me that I am. Or, at the mall, I can't buy the same outfit Made in Bangladesh. My objective is to establish that China's one-party communist dictatorship deserves a hard look constantly-unceasingly...

Honestly, if I didnt know better I would think your post was written by a socialist. Stop blaming the government...they are just giving Americans what they want. Thats what they are supposed to do.[/quote]

Hardly. Socalist governments rot. Look at the Canadian's healthcare system for all. Major repercussions-'nother story. When did I blame the government?

"cliffnote": http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_cr/h031402.html
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