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Old 05-05-2004, 01:51 PM
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What is Sen. Lautenburg (D-NJ) talking about?

I'm a Dem, and I would like to hear a supportive statement.
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What is Sen. Lautenburg (D-NJ) talking about?

I'm a Dem, and I would like to hear a supportive statement.
by spouting off on THE FLOOR of the United States Senate. How dignified of him.

Anyway, he refers to people, like Cheney or Bush, who have never fought in war (when in some cases, they could have), yet they seem quite eager to use military force for their own purposes. These hawks, some say, never fought in combat, so its easy for them to send our troops off.
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I believe that Sec. Powell has said alot about those who havn't served. Personally, I don't think that this qualifies you as a bad judge of action. But, I wonder about motives...

Define motives...
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Default In my homeland it would be the equivalent of being...

.."All mouth and no trousers".....All talk and no action...

A chickenhawk likes to talk tough but has never actually been in a fight themselves....
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I believe that Sec. Powell has said alot about those who havn't served. Personally, I don't think that this qualifies you as a bad judge of action. But, I wonder about motives...

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Ideological goals, like democratization of the Mid East
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BRIT - - in 'w' (*)(*)(*)(*)ry- texASS - they say "all hat and no cattle".

We hear that about the idiot-in-chief a lot.


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I believe that Sec. Powell has said alot about those who havn't served. Personally, I don't think that this qualifies you as a bad judge of action. But, I wonder about motives...

Define motives...
Ideological goals, like democratization of the Mid East
Why is that a bad motive?

Give me a better critique.
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I believe that Sec. Powell has said alot about those who havn't served. Personally, I don't think that this qualifies you as a bad judge of action. But, I wonder about motives...

Define motives...
Ideological goals, like democratization of the Mid East
Why is that a bad motive?

Give me a better critique.
Many would argue that force should only be used when necessary (i.e. Imminent threat or something like it). Cheney and Wolfowitz have wanted to use force to oust Saddam for years. Powell would argue that if you don't have to send in troops, then don't. I'm sure he felt the same way, perhaps to lesser extent, about Kosovo and Bosnia.

I would agree that there was no "need" to use force. This was a war of choice to fulfill the ideological goals of the neocons.
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What are their goals?
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What are their goals?
To change the world. Seriously.

The idea has been to change the entire ME and democratize. They might be noble endeavors, but they're unrealistic and ideological, utopian in nature.

Again, using the military if you can avoid it is the crux of the matter.
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