Theres all this talk about people being pro-life. People who think they are good christians, being anti-abortion and ant-capital punishment. Then they go off to some pro-war rally. What's more, they then say that liberals are hypocrites and inhumane for supporting abortion or capital punishment. Do you know, mr. 'good christian', what a WAR is? It's where two masses of people armed with guns and killing machines go at it. That is death on a large scale. I would make the bet that more people were killed in the iraq war than the number of people executed or fetuses aborted combined in the histroy of the US. But still, there are republicans who think they are better than liberals because they are anti-abortion and anti-capital punishment say that liberals are not pro-life, even though that the republican supports the meaningless war in Iraq. Saddam killing his own people? Yes, that is a tragedy, but if we invaded every country for committing horrific acts, or having a despotic govornment, then there wouldn't be any Americans left to be in an army. WMBs? North Korea launched a friggen missle over Japan just to show that they had WMB capabilities but there has been no invasion of Korea. So what is it? Since when is supporting a war pro-life? At what point did we forget the teachings of Jesus in our daily lives? If we are a good christian country, then why did we start a war that ruined or destroyed the lives of thousands of Iraqis, Americans, British, Soldier of Fortunes, and people from various other countries? Why are we not calling pro-life republicans hypocries for being for a war?

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Right about the time that Christianity became the state religion of the Roman Empire: 324CE

You'd lose by a factor of more than 100 on the abortion issue alone....

Another thing, republicans are pro-capital punishment.

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Aside from that, these arguments don't really help. In a minute, Sadistic-Savior or some other neo-con on this board is going to bring up some 60 year old argument about World War II, saying we firebombed the Germans, and with good reason. Afterwards, you're going to try to make the argument about how its different in iraq, which is what you should have lead with to begin with.

As for the stuff you wrote about "WMB" [sic], well thats too deep in your post and not particularly well developed, most people will just ignore it. ;-P

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As for Iraq, we've been having this debate for years, and I think its obvious to almost everyone that we shouldn't have gone into Iraq the first place. The better question is, what do we do about it? Declare victory and leave? Let the Iranians take it over and make it their problem?

As Colin Powel said, its like the pottery barn, you broke it, you own it. So rather than moaning about the morality of it all, maybe we should think it through a bit and find some way of fixing it, no?

A more current debate would be whether we are better off staying the course or leaving immidiately.

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The firebombings of WWII were far worse, we were actually trying to kill civilians. And yes, the rant is not particularly well developed.

Apatropoxy, now that you mention that, I realize that is very true.

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"[A] war is not meant to be won or lost, but it is meant to be continuous. In principle, the war effort is planned to keep society on the brink of starvation. "
-George Orwell

War/Killing is justified when its in defense of your family and your country. These Christians go to war rallies because they believe that our presense in iraq is protecting us HERE in the country. If we werent in Iraq they think all those muslim fundementalists that are hellbent on killing Americans are using their resources to go to iraq to fight us, instead attacking us here. And yes it sucks that our soldiers and Marines are dying but its better than American civilians dying in their own neighborhood. So dont attack Christian Republicans, they aren't being hypocritical, you just don't understand their outlook.

You said that Republicans think they are better than liberals, as if its not the opposite aswell. Its that way on both sides, you just happen to side with the liberals so you are personally offended by it. But in my eyes (being moderate) the big difference is that Christian Republicans stand for something because their religious values, liberals stand for what is currently socially acceptable and popular. Liberals have no values, they have priorities.

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lol. Welcome to the boards. But Didn't you read my post? You were supposed to compare Iraq to World War II.

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I can see you still think that the republicans have values. You obviously have not been paying attention to the liberal media.

regardless, a question too you: why do you describe yourself as a moderate, if you believe the Christian Republicans have values, and the Liberals do not?

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being neutral. I am an independent, but I tend to favor liberal parties because my outlook is mostly liberal. I will change my vote occasionally though based on individual candidates. Also, I would not claim either side to not have values.
I don't believe anyone is unbiased. The closest thing you can be to unbiased is open and honest, so people know where you come from. But I would have to agree with Juggernaut, not on his position, but on the fact that conservatives do have a certain level of consistency in their values, though it does not make sense with my interpretation of Christianity. Though he is wrong in saying that liberals have no values. I think he, and many conservatives, have been duped into thinking the word liberal is synonomous with crooked politician. As a result we can expect the kind of voting behavior that will encourage crooks on both sides: for Democrats out of political desparation and Republicans because they can get away with it.

who are against the war. The policy on going to war or not with Iraq has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity.

Is it just me, or would anyone like to know what these numbers really are?

USA is sworn to protect Japan in case of attack (i.e. NK shooting missiles over their heads), but instead we ignore them because, as I've mentioned before, they have nothing to offer us- no oil, no money, nothing of any real economic value- and let's face it, a much tougher fight.

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Since when does Jesus = Pro-life?

Lots of atheists are pro-life and lots of Christians are pro-abortion.

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