Well you may hate them, but a hugely dispropritonate amoutn of directors, actors, writers, producers, editors, and composers are Jewish. And most Americans so far have not had too many problems with them.

I'm not talking about the actual individuals. Individuals come and go. I'm talking about the actual ideas that make the religion. I think the Jewish ideas are much better, I could list them if you want.

Plus, what do you mean by "inclusive." As in, they except more people?

Well, honestly, that really doesnt mean much to me. I could just argue that that means its much easier to be a good religious christian than jew... but I won't argue that.

Well, somehow those zionists were able to come from 2000 years of persecution to create the most successful and rich nation in the middle east. hmm....

no problems on media. in reality most people i think watch that crap no more then i watch my butt... but i could be wrong ok......

correct.
by creating WW1 and WW2, deception, terrorism and lies.
that's how.

and there are those who understand it and there are those who do not. and because they control the media, anyone who understands and speaks out against their trickery is imediately called "racist, anti-semite, modern hitler, etc...

[quote="Printer2";p="167422"]This is one of those things I hate to point out because it usually automatically makes one an antisemite to point it out but: Judaism is on paper racist, or at least ethnocentric. Jews are the chosen people and the rest of us are Gentiles. I do not necessarily feel comfortable in the awkward position of being around a guy talking about how rotten and evil the "gentiles" are and how it will be for the best when the "gentiles" are all put in their place, when I am one of those "gentiles". I acknowledge not all Jews are like that, but if they are it is justified by the faith of Judaism. Christians on the other hand are supposed to be out to save all people (as annoying as this might be) and consider all people to be God's people (at least potentially). The other reason I like Christianity better is because it focuses on spiritual guidelines rather than strict laws (since we are talking about the faiths and not the individuals). It focuses on love rather than on rules.
I'd rather deal with Christians who annoy the living hell out of me because they fear for my soul than around people who consider me a lesser being, someone God doesn't care about. Now, granted, most Jews I've met tend to be rather thoughtful of "gentiles" and don't seem to consider us lesser hominids and some Christians don't believe they should raise a finger to help a non-Christian. But if we are looking at the faith as opposed to the people, yes, all of us "gentiles" are a lesser race deserving of God's wrath and nothing else. There are no Good Samaritans in the Old Testament.

Personally I think the Eastern religions are better than either of them. But when it really comes down to it, who cares. Either a person is nice or a person is a p***k.

And granted, I know absolutely nothing about the Q'ballah (even how to spell it off the top of my head). So maybe it's different.

ok. see i heard about this. but i havent found it on paper, probably because i didnt look well enough(only http://www.convert.org/differ.htm part lol). and if this is, then here we go......... judasim is a racist religion.....

i must admit i should read more and talk less.....

Last time I checked it was the Austrians and Germans who declared war on others.... both times.

Anyone who viciously and maliciously attacks jews 24/7 is called anti-semitic. Buchanon attacks Israel and Jews, but he's not considered anti-semitic, cause he hasnt devoted his life to it.

Don't worry, I know you dont hate Jews. Feel free to say what u want.

Actually, when all these ideas of superiority were created, they had nothing to do with the blood, only the ideas. Jews believed they had better ideas, and since they followed the ideas, they were superior. Everyone always agrees with this line of logic, no matter what situation.

Jews dont really do that. What I really like Judaism, is that unlike Christianity an Islam, Jews dont preach. They dont walk around saying that they're better than everyone (EVEN if its technically in the texts). No one has ever actually believed that. Jews dont walk around as misisonaries telling others they're wrong and will go to hell. In fact, they;re unique because they say anyone, no matter what their faith, will/can get to heaven.

Yes, but I dont like the Christian aspect of the focus on heaven and salvation. Its all about heaven heaven heavn. Thats all that matters. Good deeds arent as important as faith (which is true according to the faith).

Where as Jews say what matters is your actions, and faith counts for zip in comparison. Also, Jews focus on the world right here right now, not on whats next. Which I personally think is a much better idea.

Where as Jews say live and let live, Christians say live and tell other how to live.

But thats just not historically true. For 1500 years Christians wondered the earth (*)(*)(*)(*)ing everyone who disagreed with them, calling everyone else the devil and satn's child. You know this to be true. So dont give me hoopla about Jews walking around thinking themselves better you, its the complete reversal.

Jews invented the idea of G-d caring about each person.

But the problem is that the entire source of these arguments is like one or two quotes in the old testament and something in the talmud (which isnt even G-d's work). In reality, if you ask any Rabbi if Judaism considers Jews superior they will all always say no, that Judaism is completely against that.

In my opinion, the Christian and Muslim faiths are way more into the whole "though art inferior thing." And the fact that they belive only their faiths will land us into heaven is proof alone of that.

True, Budhism kicks everyone's butt.

Just because there is an implicit nature of ethnocenticism in the Old Testament, I don't think you should go where I think you're going. Jews don't have to be racist and from what I can tell most aren't (at least not in this country- some Jewish friends of mine have said many people in Israel view them as lesser people- there are big differences in orthodox, conservative, and reformed Jews). And I think the "God's chosen" element is offset by the stories that are about being nice to strangers, because it could be God in disguise. I don't think that was much a consolation to the Canaanites, but hell, the Christians cheer on their destruction as well.
Philosophically, I guess that's my biggest difference with Judaism and that puts me at odds with Christianity and Islam as well. The whole Old Testament looks to me like a history book with a bunch of rationalization and retrospect thrown in to make "God's chosen people" look heroic (not unlike most history books). I see very little in the way of a coherent moral philosophy. But that's not important now.
Good God, Rikitz, if converting to Judaism will make you drop this zionistphobia thing, by all means do it. The touchy part about this all is that the ethnocentric nature of the Old Testament helped to lead to these silly conspiracy theories which helped lead to Nazis which are a much worse form of exclusion. At least the ethnocentric among the Jews just leave people alone and don't slaughter them (except maybe the Canaanites, but that was a long time ago). As much as I'd rather have people who think their God cares about me around than people who think I am an afterthought of their God, I'd rather have the latter group around leaving me alone than the nastier people who kill and oppress using peoples' irrational fears of conspiracy.

Like I said. Some people are nice. Others are p***ks. Others are oppressive, murderous monstrosities (though I suppose by my own logic from the last post, I have to assume there are some nice Nazis out there- (*)(*)(*)(*). There goes my whole argument.).

JavaBlack, here some examples of differences between Judaism and Christianity from Wikipedia, plus it has a much better explanation of the "chosen" people thing.

In both religions, one's offenses against the will of God are called sin (in Christianity the full name is "actual sin"). These sins can be thoughts, words, or deeds.

Christianity categorizes sins into various groups. A wounding of the relationship with God is often called venial sin; a complete rupture of the relationship with God is often called mortal sin. Without salvation from sin (see below), a person's separation from God is permanent, causing such a person to enter Hell in the afterlife.

If you actually read all this, its actually quite interesting, I just dont see how anyone, regardless of their espective religion, can consider Christian views to be more logical, thoughful and just generally better than the Jewish ones.

I guess you have a point. If I were to go by what most of the Jews I've met are like, these arguments make sense. And I agree with you about the shortcomings of Christianity. Though Hell irritates me even more than Heaven, such a ridiculous concept. I've always wanted to talk to a rabbi at some point, but haven't yet had the opportunity. As it happens, the only Jews who ever talked religion with me were the racist ones. Usually we talk about other things, important things like good beer. Still I have a hard time comparing the two religions because I tend to focus on how people act. And there are so many types of Christians that I can't tell who we're talking about when we say Christians. So, yes, it's best to just go with the Buddhists.

You see, when I read the New Testament, I never had a preacher telling me how to interpret it. I was raised without religion. And I kind of fell asleep through the parts that weren't either gospels or attributed to Paul. And Revelations always struck me as more an interesting story that always seems like it's coming true than a real book. Later I'd read the book Lost Christianities (an interesting read) and find that many of the parts I ignored were added in for political reasons or edited for them. Personally I think I got it right and the Christians are wrong. We are after all supposed to get inspiration from the Holy Spirit and I didn't have some preacher getting in the way. What I got out of it is love other people, treat them as you'd like to be treated if you were them, be forgiving, don't get too caught up in your worldly troubles, help the unfortunate, and keep the faith and walk strong. St. Paul or Jesus would say that there is no such thing as faith without works. I really don't know where the Christians get their ideas. Oh yeah. From preachers. I never did have much use for preachers.
I guess it's because I look for moral philosophy in holy books. When I want facts about the cosmos I read Scientific American.

I argue live and let live. If there is a G-d and a heaven, I doubt he cares what religion you choose, just so long as you're a good person. I concede that some religions offer a better way of getting there, but hey, whatever.