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Old 11-10-2005, 11:13 AM
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There is a certain stigma associated with prostitution, even in the societies where it is legal. And while I don't disagree with idea that a number of people might look down on prostitution for whatever reason, I don't see why people assume that being a prostitute must indicate that the woman is unintelligent, immoral, sub-standard, etc...

Having spent a good deal of time in New Zealand, where prostitution is legal, I have had the chance to learn first-hand how prostitutes view their profession. These are absolutely normal women who view what they do as a sort of social-service work. They provide lonely men with 'warmth'. Their customers can want as little as to just snuggle, or have somebody unaffiliated to talk with about things that they wouldn't reveal to someone they know.

And the assumption that prostitutes are crawling with VDs is ridiculous. These women are well educated in the transmission and contraction of STDs, and are wiser to the subject than most of the general public. So they therefore don't tend to engage in activities that would be high-risk, and they are frequently tested a a precaution. I would wager that you would be much more at risk by having sex with some random woman at a bar.
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that a streetwalker in the US has a lower HIV or STD rate than every day Americans then I suggest you have much more homework to do. The stats say otherwise. http://www.caps.ucsf.edu/prosttext.html Prostitutes are looked down upon for good reason, anyone who has so little respect for themselves deserves little respect from others. Of course many prostitutes in the US come from abused homes and that is different and I support programs that help them assimilate, get off drugs and get normal jobs.
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that a streetwalker in the US has a lower HIV or STD rate than every day Americans then I suggest you have much more homework to do. The stats say otherwise. http://www.caps.ucsf.edu/prosttext.html Prostitutes are looked down upon for good reason, anyone who has so little respect for themselves deserves little respect from others. Of course many prostitutes in the US come from abused homes and that is different and I support programs that help them assimilate, get off drugs and get normal jobs.
...however obvious I though I made it. I stated that I was talking about prostitutes in a society where it is legal - and thus they are monitored and educated (just like any potentially high risk profession in the US that is *legal*). And about them having little respect for themselves, this was my point exactly...why do you assume that a prostitute is self-loathing? Do you know or have you known any prostitutes by which you can make this assertion? I have, and I can tell you that not a one of them was less self-confident than any 'succesfull' or 'upright' women that I've known.
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that a streetwalker in the US has a lower HIV or STD rate than every day Americans then I suggest you have much more homework to do. The stats say otherwise. http://www.caps.ucsf.edu/prosttext.html Prostitutes are looked down upon for good reason, anyone who has so little respect for themselves deserves little respect from others. Of course many prostitutes in the US come from abused homes and that is different and I support programs that help them assimilate, get off drugs and get normal jobs.
...however obvious I though I made it. I stated that I was talking about prostitutes in a society where it is legal - and thus they are monitored and educated (just like any potentially high risk profession in the US that is *legal*). And about them having little respect for themselves, this was my point exactly...why do you assume that a prostitute is self-loathing? Do you know or have you known any prostitutes by which you can make this assertion? I have, and I can tell you that not a one of them was less self-confident than any 'succesfull' or 'upright' women that I've known.
Your last paragraph didn't reference the proceeding so it sounded like you were speaking in general. Why do I assume they are self loathing? Some of them probably aren't, maybe more than half of them aren't. I don't know, but if you whore yourself to someone else then I say by definition you have no respect for yourself. I've arrested prostitutes and I can tell you none of them were "upright" women. Many of them came from broken homes, but not all. All, or nearly all, had drug habits. Self confidence doesn't really mean anything, especially when it's a facade. Skinheads are self confident too, get them alone and that confidence melts like butter in the Vegas sun.
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But I'm wondering whether there would be enough women willing to pay for it (or, conversely, whether these male prostitutes would simply end up serving male clientele, regardless of personal preferences).
whats wrong with this? who ever said work was supposed to be fun?
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Prostitution is not a desirable end none would making it legal, achieve any desirable end indeed it would have no plus to society or tradition at all. Having freedom and liberty doesn't mean being able to due whatever one wants. There is no positive aspects for society to gain, by government or the people to create a new "right" to whore out one's body for cash..
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color=blue]Individual freedom is a positive gain for society.
I agree 99.9 percent of the time. But we must make distinctions, individual freedom doesn't mean radical individualism to "do as one wants no matter what". I'm for Gay Civil Unions, and for gays to have the right to adopt in order to adopt because it would be a positive aspect to society in the long run. If your going to create new rights, you'd have to show the positive affect that they would have on society in order to have a moral justification to change the law and the long standing moral and traditional order.

You could argue that everyone under a certain socio-economic stand point should have a right to steal food and other such devices in order to survive or be "equal" to a certain standing points with other individuals. But would the rejection of the old moral order, and the rewriting of tradition to create this new "right" have a positive impact on society? I think not. Like wise legalized prostitution would have a equally negative affect.
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It does not harm anyone but the person doing it, and even that is debatable.

It is not the government's job to babysit you. Thats what it comes down to. People have to be responsible for their own actions.
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