One Nation, Under God - Page 2

Shamgar · #11 (**permalink**) 11-30-2005, 05:47 AM

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I try to use images that are on the average person's level of understanding. . . .go figure. . .

Ah, yes... Your personality wouldn't be complete without snide remarks about the average person's intelligence. It's so much easier to always be right when everyone else is an idiot, isn't it?

Well obvioulsy that is an idiot's response since an idiot is seldom correct. . . .and since if you knew anything about a bell curve the majority of people are of "average" intelligence. . .

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I believe in specialization. Let the historians go in depth into history.

Yeah like I said, your agenda would fall to pieces with the facts being exposed. .. . the revisonist history works so much better to push you agenda. . . .especially with the average person since they wouldn't bother to check the facts/know the facts. . . .dumb sheep are easier to bend to your agenda. . .

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If I have a choice between risking the release of evil spirits and condemning humanity to lives of strife and mediocrity, I'd choose the former.

Ah but you admit the desire in your heart is to ignore facts. . . .and that is your "Pandor's Box" as I have yet to see a box of evil spirits on the shelf of any retail store. . . .maybe where you shop?

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And what agenda am I pushing?

The agenda of revisonist history by ignoring facts. . .which is revisonist history by defintion. . .if you bothered to look at the "cartoon" you would have seen the definition. . .

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And yes I did acknowledge them, and as above I view that rationality is the better of veneration for the past.

Ah the saying is if you don't learn from mistakes of history you will repeat the mistakes of history. . . .so I wouldn't want to be in the "dark ages" by making the mistakes of other civilization that were so foolish to give rights to homos, atheists, etc. . . .

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You cannot stop progress with anything short of a return to the dark ages- and that will only slow it down.

Oh but it appears your direction is the "dark ages" since the immoral are rising to power so we want to reverse out of your direction to the light and progress. . . .

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Shamgar · #12 (**permalink**) 11-30-2005, 05:56 AM

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LOL you make Linus look like Aristotle, I can truly see we finally have a member of the truly loony left, God I love making guys like you made. The I hate America crowd, hippie loving, tidy wearing, pot smoking, peace-nikkin, no girl getting, bath hating, soap fearing, Socialist spewing, piece of human pond scum. Did you even bother to look at the fact that the other source was, wait for it the Library of Congress.

See that damage must have been quite severe. . .since you perceive me to be "liberal" when I would hardly be cosidered liberal. .. but I do enjoy the subintelligent people who only think the world is divided into liberal and conservative. . . .and the subintelligent who rely on wikipedia for "facts". . . .

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rockyreagan · #13 (**permalink**) 11-30-2005, 07:24 AM

I don't care if you consider yourself a "liberal" or "Conservative" because all you are is a guy who refuses to see things that goes against his ideology in other words a moron. You'd be perfect for any left wing organization or the John Birch Society.

JavaBlack · #14 (**permalink**) 11-30-2005, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Shamgar";p=&quot

I try to use images that are on the average person's level of understanding. . . .go figure. . .

Ah, yes... Your personality wouldn't be complete without snide remarks about the average person's intelligence. It's so much easier to always be right when everyone else is an idiot, isn't it?

Well obvioulsy that is an idiot's response since an idiot is seldom correct. . . .and since if you knew anything about a bell curve the majority of people are of "average" intelligence. . .

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I believe in specialization. Let the historians go in depth into history.

First of all, I don't support revising history. I just think we should look at it critically. The intention of the forefathers is interesting, but is not determinate of our destiny.
What I find disturbing about people like you is your lumping of all people you find immoral into one group. You consider all homosexuals, atheists, and anyone who disagrees with you to be on the level of Nazis. You yourself are an elitist that would like to remove God-given, inalienable rights from people based on your own idea of what God is. You want to be God, it seems clear to me. God allows, even in your limited view, personal choice. If someone does not harm us, we should not harm them. You think we should. You're convinced that if people are given choice, they will choose to do evil instead of good. You have no faith, so as far as I'm concerned "Christian" is merely a title for you.
What you definitely are is an elitist that believes himself to be the only smart person on Earth and the mouthpiece of God. And you seem to only use one website at that. Please crawl back under the rock you came out from under or I may die of laughter.
Yeah like I said, your agenda would fall to pieces with the facts being exposed. .. . the revisonist history works so much better to push you agenda. . . .especially with the average person since they wouldn't bother to check the facts/know the facts. . . .dumb sheep are easier to bend to your agenda. . .

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Originally Posted by JavaBlack";p=&quot

If I have a choice between risking the release of evil spirits and condemning humanity to lives of strife and mediocrity, I'd choose the former.

Ah but you admit the desire in your heart is to ignore facts. . . .and that is your "Pandor's Box" as I have yet to see a box of evil spirits on the shelf of any retail store. . . .maybe where you shop?

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Originally Posted by JavaBlack";p=&quot

And what agenda am I pushing?

The agenda of revisonist history by ignoring facts. . .which is revisonist history by defintion. . .if you bothered to look at the "cartoon" you would have seen the definition. . .

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Originally Posted by JavaBlack";p=&quot

And yes I did acknowledge them, and as above I view that rationality is the better of veneration for the past.

Ah the saying is if you don't learn from mistakes of history you will repeat the mistakes of history. . . .so I wouldn't want to be in the "dark ages" by making the mistakes of other civilization that were so foolish to give rights to homos, atheists, etc. . . .

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Originally Posted by JavaBlack";p=&quot

You cannot stop progress with anything short of a return to the dark ages- and that will only slow it down.

Oh but it appears your direction is the "dark ages" since the immoral are rising to power so we want to reverse out of your direction to the light and progress. . . .

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/5...mall0100fx.jpg
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Shamgar · #15 (**permalink**) 11-30-2005, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by rockyreagan";p=&quot

I don't care if you consider yourself a "liberal" or "Conservative" because all you are is a guy who refuses to see things that goes against his ideology in other words a moron. You'd be perfect for any left wing organization or the John Birch Society.

See, fact don't matter to you at all by your own admission . . .must be why you depend on wikipedia. . .

Shamgar · #16 (**permalink**) 11-30-2005, 08:32 AM

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First of all, I don't support revising history.

Ah but accoridng to the definiton you do support and practice revisionist history. . .get a clue. . .

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I just think we should look at it critically. The intention of the forefathers is interesting, but is not determinate of our destiny.

Hahahahaha spoken like true revisonist since history has shown the courts have said it was the "intent" of the founduing dathers to give the immoral equal rights. .. .pull your head out of the sand. . .

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You consider all homosexuals, atheists, and anyone who disagrees with you to be on the level of Nazis.

PC Nazis. . . .try to be accurate. . . .I know it is hard for a revisionist to do that but make an effort anyway. . .

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You have no faith, so as far as I'm concerned "Christian" is merely a title for you.

hahahaha I couldn't care less of your "judgment" of me. . . .since you hav no desire to examine the facts to make an accurate judgment. . . .what revisionist cares about facts. . .

1 Cor 2: 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; neither can he know them , because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is judged by no man. 16 For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ.

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What you definitely are is an elitist that believes himself to be the only smart person on Earth and the mouthpiece of God. And you seem to only use one website at that. Please crawl back under the rock you came out from under or I may die of laughter.

Yeah I would expect that kind of response after you have taken so many direct hits for being a revisonist. . .

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JavaBlack · #17 (**permalink**) 11-30-2005, 09:12 AM

You never cease to amaze me...
Do you think I care about your definition of revisionist history? As far as I am concerned, revising history is deliberately changing it to suit your views. The fact that I acknowledge your general idea of the founding fathers is correct in a simple-minded kind of way (note that Rocky, a constructionist by definition and quite often opposite of me, finds ridiculousness in your overstated, oversimplified version of history- and he does study such things- from more than one website, I might add!) but do not believe that "original intent" should completely eclipse our control of destiny. I am not claiming that there is some great, perfect past that we should all strive to regain but that our future is ahead of us and it is up to us what to make of it. Revising the future is not revising history.
I've never been a fan of the PC pushers, but I still have deep scorn for those that are so against it that they revert to rudeness, stereotyping, and ignorance just to oppose it. You seem to be claiming that the people PC pushers "protect" are immoral rather than directly attacking PC pushers. You are merely the opposite extreme. I know atheists that are extremely moral and compassionate and "Christians" who might as well be Satan worshippers. Regardless of statistical or, in your case, preconceived notion data, these exceptions prove that there is room for good in the groups you deem "immoral" and room for evil in your fellow moral crusaders. Each individual can prove his or her merit (PC just for you- should have said "her or his") and virtue on equal ground without being judged as members of groups by elitists like yourself.
I notice that you have no actual refute to your elitism and your total lack of faith in God or Man, other than considering my points invalid due to my disagreement with you and your oh-so-unbiased website. You'd achieve a lot more if you spent more time thinking and less time calling the rest of the human race stupid.

And Rocky, the liberals don't want him either. Isn't there another ideological group we can send him off to... Are there any monarchists left in this country?

Shamgar · #18 (**permalink**) 11-30-2005, 09:49 AM

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You never cease to amaze me...Do you think I care about your definition of revisionist history? . . . . Revising the future is not revising history.

Ah. . .it isn't "my" definition. . .but it is a non wikipedia defintion . . . . if you bothered to research the definiton/description you would see it is accurate. . .but a revisionist like you isn't concerned with facts. . since they go against your agenda. . . .and so far "you never cease to unimpress me" with your revising the future with your revisionist history. . .

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I've never been a fan of the PC pushers, but I still have deep scorn for those that are so against it that they revert to rudeness, stereotyping, and ignorance just to oppose it. You seem to be claiming that the people PC pushers "protect" are immoral rather than directly attacking PC pushers. You are merely the opposite extreme.

Oh you see my religion has no concept of PC that must be why I at the other "extreme". . . but you see you are a promotor of PC and you comrades all depend on PC to keep the Christians under your PC Nazi boots. . . .

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Each individual can prove his or her merit (PC just for you- should have said "her or his") and virtue on equal ground without being judged as members of groups by elitists like yourself.

Oh tell me which comic book they use for their system of "morality" so I can make a more informed decision then.. . . .

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I notice that you have no actual refute to your elitism and your total lack of faith in God or Man, other than considering my points invalid due to my disagreement with you and your oh-so-unbiased website. You'd achieve a lot more if you spent more time thinking and less time calling the rest of the human race stupid.

Only a stupid person would try to "prove" my faith to you since you have no understanding of my religion. . .more then I would ask you astro-physisc advice if you weren't an astro-physicist. . . .another idiot repsonse of yours. . .

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And Rocky, the liberals don't want him either. Isn't there another ideological group we can send him off to... Are there any monarchists left in this country?

Hahahahaha Christians by their nature are hated. . . .that must be why I would be rejected by so many. . ..God doesn't run by approval ratings of men. . ..

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JavaBlack · #19 (**permalink**) 11-30-2005, 06:42 PM

Sorry but if your definition of revising history is something other than revising history, I suppose you need a new dictionary. Because I do not make claims about alternate viws of history, I must say it is very difficult to pin me as a historical revisionist. Tell me, do these historical revisionists you see everywhere... do they tell you weird secrets to do things you'd never do in a million years? can other people see them? Do they ride on pink elephants?
Since when is PC's purpose to destroy Christianity? Only a paranoid schitzoid could come to such a conclusion. PC exists as an attempt to relabel everything in a soulless and boring manner as to not offend anyone. It's lame, but it is not meant to destroy Christianity. I personally don't feel a need to destroy Christianity or to support PC. I just wish to keep "Christians" from destroying others. That is why I see you as an extremist opposite of PC. You do wish to take the rights from others and play God to do so. And then you see PC boogeymen to justify your behavior.
You obviously haven't been out much. Though I could tell you this just by your crude, disgusting, elitist manners, I also know because you are truly convinced that there are no decent people within the groups you deem immoral. As a Christian, it is not your place to judge anyway. Actually as much as I've heard from you, you've probably never even looked at the bible. And I don't think you've done more than take a quick glance at the reactionary philosophy you are so poorly attempting to emulate. Is that imageshack website the only one they let you look at in your padded cell?
I guess you're right. I don't know your personal religion. It doesn't resemble Christianity, so it must be some sect I'm not familiar with. Whatever you place your faith in, it is something that has placed you on a pedestal far above the rest of us. Do you hear voices in your head?
Bizarre. You think you are hated because you are a Christian. I would propose you are hated because you try so (*)(*)(*)(*) hard to be hated. Were you given so little attention as a child that this is your scream for attention? Some of the people I love most are Christians. Based on your rabble, I would never guess you to be a Christian. Most liberals and conservatives in this country are Christians as well, FYI.
And you are not worth my hate. You do make me laugh though.

rockyreagan · #20 (**permalink**) 12-01-2005, 05:20 AM

Monarchist have been on the downfall since Alexander Hamilton, theirs always the Green Party. Tell me Shame Artist Gar do you cry when someone throws a piece of paper on the ground? Do you feel guilty every time your standing in a wooden house because of the holocaust of trees that had to be cut to use it?

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