America's success has not been due to any one particular brand of theology, but of ALL faiths, which have been freely practiced for more than 200 years, since our forefathers had the widsom to realize that America is a nation under God, however people of various faiths choose to exercise their freedom to worship God.

America is a nation where, for the first time in world history, many different religions which had warred each other in Europe, resulting in the deaths of millions, lived side by side in peace here in America. Our forefathers recognized that God's grace had a big hand in the founding of our nation, and no matter how God was worshiped, God would be worshipped, and be worshiped according to each denomination's beliefs. The establishment clause of the First Amendment saw to that. America truly became a melting pot. As the author of the article states, America was not many religions under one roof, but one nation under God. It is this theme that has been a core of American thought throughout our history.

Something to think about as you listen to those who shout to the world from their self-erected pedestals how much more godly and moral they are than others. The threat today is the same one that led to the founding of America.

Entire Article is here.

So whats your point?

Of course that is nothing but propaganda. . . .since the religion of the indians were activily discriminated against. . . .so the premise of "ALL faiths" is bogus. . . .in fact homos , athiests, blacks, indians, catholics, women were all discrimanted against. . .in fact this occured for many years . . .. in fact it was only recent history in which "laws" passed to make homos "equal'. . . . and dispite of these "laws" all these groups are activly discriminated against. . . .
. . .so obvioulsy it was NOT THE INTENT of the "founding fathers" to give everyone "equal rights" so spare the intelligent your revisionist history. . . .

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I'm glad you gave us cartoons to refute that point.
Personally I'm not interested in whether you or Dan are correct about history, though I hate to admit you are probably the more accurate. I don't sacrifice rationality for the veneration of historical figures. If humanity had always done that, we'd still be in the stone age and killing each other for food. Freedom is to be expanded, not boxed in using historical idols for a reason.
Why do you fear multiple religions anyway? Are you afraid people would leave yours if given other choices?

Shamgar where you possibly dropped on your head as a child? Where in the name of GOD are you coming from? You do realize that Catholics did indeed preach at the House of Representatives, the first one being on January 8th, 1826 when Bishop John England gave a sermon. Also women as well preached at The House of Representatives, the first was Dorthy Ripley who conducted services on January 12th 1806, the second (and perhaps more famous) was when Harriet Livermore began preaching in 1827. Communion was handed out to all who showed at the Treasure Building. Their Presbyterian minister James Laurie conducted services, they got so big once according to John Quincy Adams that the audience over flowed and ended up in the old Supreme Court Chamber!

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel06-2.html

Blacks where not oppressed due to Religion, in fact originally it was against the law if a Black man or woman CONVERTED to Protestantism because English Law declared that no Christan could be a Slave. It wasn't until after the colonist over came this, that they began to use the Bible in order to attempt to find some moral justification for enslaving their fellow man. Yet it was Religion that ultimately gave blacks their freedom, because it was threw their dedication to Christ and Christianity that brought many Abolitionist to their sides. Many abolitionist where encouraged by the Second Great Awakening, to join the anti slavery cause.

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel07.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolitionism#United_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Great_Awakening
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins...ican_Civil_War

As far as the Indians go, that was a clash of cultures. Yet all Indians where shoot down in cold blood, and many did indeed convert mot famous Pocahontas. Was their war and blood shed? Of course, but it was dominated more for land then religion. Also today predominately most Native Americans like the country at large, is indeed Christan.

Notes:
Baptism of Pocahontas
Like the other seventeenth-century British colonies, Virginia aspired to convert the native populations. The Virginia Company's instructions to its governors required them to make conversion one of their objectives. The most famous early convert was Pocahontas, daughter of Powhatan, head of the Powhatan Confederacy. Pocahontas was baptized by the Reverend Alexander Whitaker before her marriage to John Rolfe in 1614.

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Nobody with open eyes can any longer doubt that the danger to personal freedom comes chiefly from the left. - F.A. Hayek

Where have all the Conservatives Gone?

There is always hope, as long as one can think.

The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.- Thomas Jefferson

I try to use images that are on the average person's level of understanding. . . .go figure. . .

Yeah you would hate to be confused by facts. . . .

Yeah your preference obvioulsy is "Pandora's Box". . . .

My "fear" would be that I would start thinking like you and ignore the facts. . .to push an agenda like you are pushing. . . .

Only deluded people like you would think that. . . .obvioulsy a deluded person would use wikipedia. . .the world's only bogus resource on the web that can be edited at will. .. only a person who has been repeatedly dropped on their heads would use that as a "source."

Hey look at the "info" you get from wikipedia. . there were no black slaves. . . .the indian's pagan religion wasn't discrimated against. . . there were multiple catholic president before Kenndy. . .women voted for George Washington. . . .and homos and atheists didn't have discrimatory laws passed against them . . . .yeah "brainiac" wikipedia has made you the "scholar" you are. . .hahahahaha. . ..

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Ah, yes... Your personality wouldn't be complete without snide remarks about the average person's intelligence. It's so much easier to always be right when everyone else is an idiot, isn't it?

I believe in specialization. Let the historians go in depth into history. They will do a better job in specializing. Look at yourself for an example of the amateur enthusiast's work. Note that I admit when I am out of my element. But also note that when I do look at history it is for either enjoyment or to learn from critical examination, not to see what we're "supposed to be doing"..

If I have a choice between risking the release of evil spirits and condemning humanity to lives of strife and mediocrity, I'd choose the former. Besides, in the long run humanity is in greater danger for not doing anything than for trying something. And contrary to your cynical view of the average person's intelligence, I think most people use a decent amount of (brace yourself, Rocky, you'll never believe I'm going to say this) common sense when trying new things. Keep in mind a free market economy and democracy, for that matter, depends on innovation and change.

And what agenda am I pushing? And this would indicate that you believe, given choices, people would choose to think more like me (I happen to know you're wrong and I think I actually like it that way)? I suppose that goes along with your feelings about the average person's intelligence. What facts are you talking about anyway? Aside from your simplified versions of common knowledge given to us in cartoon format, I've seen nothing else. And yes I did acknowledge them, and as above I view that rationality is the better of veneration for the past. Is that what you worry about, that people might choose to look forward rather than back? People have been doing this without the choice for centuries. Though more availability of choice allows more people to make more rational decisions, inevitably a bit of reason and a bit of knowledge will find its way to the right person at the right time. You cannot stop progress with anything short of a return to the dark ages- and that will only slow it down.

LOL you make Linus look like Aristotle, I can truly see we finally have a member of the truly loony left, God I love making guys like you made. The I hate America crowd, hippie loving, tidy wearing, pot smoking, peace-nikkin, no girl getting, bath hating, soap fearing, Socialist spewing, piece of human pond scum. Did you even bother to look at the fact that the other source was, wait for it the Library of Congress. Then again that doesn't count, the Conservative controlled that after Hitler went underground, and was supported by the the "Hilian" alien race. Since then we conservatives have been on a rampage to destroy and kill every minority, homo, atheist, catholic, Jew, Arab, brown haired, pink finger nailed individual we can find!

And those (*)(*)(*)(*) catholics who do they think they are? With their Pope, and their (*)(*)(*)(*) funny hats I tell you the world will be better when Hitler re rises and takes over, and finishes them off! (And Yes for those of you who are wondering I am Catholic, which of course means that I am owned by the Pope, and also a self hating Catholic, much like those (*)(*)(*)(*) self hating Black Conservatives, and gay conservatives.)

Oh btw haven't you also heard that the Big Evil Conservative Corporation (aka Microsoft, Wal-Mart,General Motors, McDonald's, Exxon, and BM) have officially and secretively had congress pass new law. By 2007, their will be no clean air or water anywhere in the civilized world! Pretty soon (by 2006 at the latest) we will have the Sanatroum-McCain Baby Candy Bill number756830 passed. This one is one of my favorites that I can't wait for! It will take out ALL not some but ALL of the money from every Welfare program and create a big huge fund, and every time a Conservative Steals candy from a baby, we get $10,000 dollars. Plus a extra $2000 if we make it cry, and a extra $3000 if we comment how we are pro-life and then punch it right in the face repeatedly (have to do it at least 4 times for that one). After their where hoping to bring Cannibalism back into fashion, figured the best way to deal liberals is take all food supply away and then put liberal Americans on the table, this is why we are ending Farm subsidies because surly if the Government wasn't involved all of America food supply would be destroyed. Oh wont that be great?

Oh and yeah you got us by the way, all us crazy Christians yeah we have always wanted to kill everything. Doesn't matter what and where wanted it dead, why? Its in the Bible Mark 3:67 "And Jesus said Kill it and Grill it my sons; kill every man, woman, and child, destroy every animal, kill all wildlife, this is the lords way". Of course that (*)(*)(*)(*) Pope took it out of the Catholic Bible, so we have to kill him don't you see and the Catholics because they are brainwashed! After that though or brother Louis Farrakhan (yes he is really a Christan!) well call the mother ship to come to are planet and we shale rejoice and oh what a happy day it will be! PRAISE GOD!! MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS PRAISE GOD!! We will finish the job our founders started!



Actually don't want you to feel "offended" better get allot of this and get down to your level.



Yeah and after that man, that Jefferson President guy right after that black slave that he rapped had his kid, he shot the kid and sold her for five bucks, later that they he also bought some land from like that Napoleon guy.

Then man like after like the last founder died, these like documents came up and it like had the Swastika on it and it said KKK and it said like down with everyone who isn't Protestant! And all the founders signed it! Yeah man its true I read it on the website that this guy I know, who knows my cousins, sisters, boyfriends, uncles, neighbors, aunts, daughters, grandfathers, nieces, college roommate man yeah like he found it in this box burred under the capital and like man he wouldn't lie, wait got to take another...

You know those same founders man, like there such hypocrites. Like you know man Jesus came back the, second time and like man they killed him so Santa Claus could like make us all addicted to commercial industry man. Thats how Capitalism started.... wait wait a minute

Man, I'm like so freaking hungry right now... oh wait thanks



Then like this weekend man i was like all on the web swear to our Mother Earth, Robert E Lee in a porno with a black chick. Yeah man they so to had camera's back then like Thomas Edison filmed it. Swear to Mother Earth man... Man I'm gonna go get some munchies....

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Nobody with open eyes can any longer doubt that the danger to personal freedom comes chiefly from the left. - F.A. Hayek

Where have all the Conservatives Gone?

There is always hope, as long as one can think.

The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.- Thomas Jefferson

Sorry about that, probably shouldn't have said that but hey when in Rome..... BTW Java very proud of you, I knew somewhere was that guy who made some sense long ago during are "means" instead of "ends" debate we had with Force awhile ago. Glad to see you back buddy.

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Nobody with open eyes can any longer doubt that the danger to personal freedom comes chiefly from the left. - F.A. Hayek

Where have all the Conservatives Gone?

There is always hope, as long as one can think.

The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.- Thomas Jefferson