Oh I doubt you agree since Christians are required to fund (pay for legislation, enforcement, education programs) homos, abortions etc since these are all "human rights". . . .all the things that are againstt Chrstian teachings. . .. so again they are forced to compromise to be "good citizens". . . . .

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Yeah dam right!!! Why the hell should christians be good citizens?! Jesus sure as hell wasn't! Oh wait...

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Obviously Christian beliefs are strongly against showing mercy or giving aid to others, regardless of personal differences. Jesus indeed hated tax collectors and prostitutes and sinners and shunned their company. Christians lead by brute force and absolute rules rather than by example. And the whole golden rule thing is largely altered by revisionists who believe that it actually should be taken at face value and we should treat others as we wish to be treated. Christians are actually against being nice to people with other beliefs, feel that we should persecute them, etc... Blah Blah Blah...
Thank the Lord that we have my buddy Sham to show us all the light of hatred and the truth that Christians are persecuted by laws that enable others to be treated fairly.

Despite these great arguments by impressive scholar Shamgar, I'm sure the arguments of Rocky and Stekim will persuade you to see that even if rights are not "natural", they are a wonderful construction. If rights did not exist, it was necessary for us to create them.

I will never understand this position of theists...that all rights must originate from some Big-Brother higher power.

Why is a higher power required to define rights?

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You might want to change that. A whole load of 'Christians' have done all those things you mentioned. Not Jesus of course, just his so called followers. Oh well, that's organized religion for you.

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Yeah, you will have to forgive javablack since he just was eating a load of sour grapes.. .

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It is my experience that atheist don't understand much at all. . . . in fact they can't even prove their own premise of their belief system by scientific evidence. . .

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I do so enjoy it when people who have never read/understood the Scriptures tell their little fairy tales or "understanding" about the Scriptures. . . .maybe you should start with "Once upon a time. . . ."

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Really? What premise is it that we cant prove?

I dont recall ever saying absolutely that God doesnt exist. I have simply not seen any evidence to prove that God exists. If you are making the claim, you are required to provide the proof.

That doesnt make sense to you?

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Writing as a Christian, belief in a higher power isn't necessary to define rights. Rights are based on a sense of empathy. If I see another person as being an extension of myself, I will treat that person as I best estimate that he or she wants to be treated. It is that empathy that is the basis of our rights in society. Theology is a different matter entirely.

Do not mistake lack of patience for being beaten in argument. I would gladly continue to go back and forth with you if...
a) it wasn't so tediuous
b) if there was a chance that either of us would change our stance
c) if it wasn't ruining the entire thread and turning into a sign of further ruin across the forum

Due to c) in particular, I will try not to address you more than three times per thread unless you actually say something different. I'll give the others a chance to tear you apart. If you should feel the need to go back and forth, read my last post on the "One Nation Under God" thread. I have not read yours as I feel my last post most likely answers whatever you have to say.

And by the way, one last point. I don't know what scriptures you've read, but anyone who can read the New Testament and think that Jesus was like I said in my facetious post above, has some great difficulty in comprehension.

Don't let him bother you, JavaBlack. He had some very... ahem... creative cartoons about me on another site. Some fellow Christians, and I'm thinking of more than one on this site, miss the New Testament message of compassion and forgiveness entirely, at least as it applies to political issues.