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It is my experience that atheist don't understand much at all. . . . in fact they can't even prove their own premise of their belief system by scientific evidence. . .
Really? What premise is it that we cant prove?
See proves my point. .. . can't even figure out what his premise is. . .

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I dont recall ever saying absolutely that God doesnt exist. I have simply not seen any evidence to prove that God exists. If you are making the claim, you are required to provide the proof. That doesnt make sense to you?
Yeah your "one hand clapping" makes perfect sense. . . to an atheist who has no proof to validate his premise. . . .

atheist adj : related to or characterized by or given to atheism; "atheist leanings" [syn: atheistic, atheistical] n : someone who denies the existence of god
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Old 12-05-2005, 11:16 AM
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Don't let him bother you, JavaBlack. He had some very... ahem... creative cartoons about me on another site. Some fellow Christians, and I'm thinking of more than one on this site, miss the New Testament message of compassion and forgiveness entirely, at least as it applies to political issues.
Hey see I was correct then and I am correct now. . . .see you must not be getting the "compassion" since snakes don't get compassion . . . but the "boot."

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[ Writing as a Christian, belief in a higher power isn't necessary to define rights. Rights are based on a sense of empathy.
Well as a "Christian" I would be very happy for you to show where this authority is given from Scriptures to "base rights on a sense of empathy." Chapter and verse please. . .
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Me: Really? What premise is it that we cant prove?

See proves my point. .. . can't even figure out what his premise is. . .
I didnt make a premise. It is an argument you invented. That was my point.

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Yeah your "one hand clapping" makes perfect sense. . . to an atheist who has no proof to validate his premise. . . .
I made no premise to validate.

Do you always create such straw men in your arguments or is this the first?
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...why don't you give some quotes from the scriptures to back your claims?

Also, I find your claim that athiests have no scientific proof for their beliefs, laughable. What scientific proof have you that God exists? The Bible?
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Me: Really? What premise is it that we cant prove?

See proves my point. .. . can't even figure out what his premise is. . .
I didnt make a premise. It is an argument you invented. That was my point.

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Yeah your "one hand clapping" makes perfect sense. . . to an atheist who has no proof to validate his premise. . . .
I made no premise to validate.

Do you always create such straw men in your arguments or is this the first?
hahahah you're ot even smart enough to use a dictionary. . . .you are an atheist ( "No God")
that is your premise. . . .to which you have no scientifc proof. . . hahahahhaa

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n : a statement that is assumed to be true and from which a conclusion can be drawn; "on the assumption that he has been injured we can infer that he will not to play" [syn: premiss, assumption] v 1: set forth beforehand, often as an explanation; "He premised these remarks so that his readers might understand" 2: furnish with a preface or introduction; "She always precedes her lectures with a joke"; "He prefaced his lecture with a critical remark about the institution" [syn: precede, preface, introduce] 3: take something as preexisting and given [syn: premiss]
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...why don't you give some quotes from the scriptures to back your claims? Also, I find your claim that athiests have no scientific proof for their beliefs, laughable. What scientific proof have you that God exists? The Bible?
Sure bring all your scientifc facts to prove God doesn't exist and I wioll bring all mine that He does. . . .you have better get going on starting some experiments. .. hahahahahaha. . .here prove thatt God's hand does not exist in all things created. . . tell me when you are ready to start. . . .

Romans 1: 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

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Me: Really? What premise is it that we cant prove?

See proves my point. .. . can't even figure out what his premise is. . .
I didnt make a premise. It is an argument you invented. That was my point.

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Yeah your "one hand clapping" makes perfect sense. . . to an atheist who has no proof to validate his premise. . . .
I made no premise to validate.

Do you always create such straw men in your arguments or is this the first?
hahahah you're ot even smart enough to use a dictionary. . . .you are an atheist ( "No God")
that is your premise. . . .to which you have no scientifc proof. . . hahahahhaa

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n : a statement that is assumed to be true and from which a conclusion can be drawn; "on the assumption that he has been injured we can infer that he will not to play" [syn: premiss, assumption] v 1: set forth beforehand, often as an explanation; "He premised these remarks so that his readers might understand" 2: furnish with a preface or introduction; "She always precedes her lectures with a joke"; "He prefaced his lecture with a critical remark about the institution" [syn: precede, preface, introduce] 3: take something as preexisting and given [syn: premiss]
And the statement that there is a God is your premise. The difference is that Sadistic does not argue that his premise should be treated as law. You do.
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Sure bring all your scientifc facts to prove God doesn't exist and I wioll bring all mine that He does. . . .you have better get going on starting some experiments. .. hahahahahaha. . .here prove thatt God's hand does not exist in all things created. . . tell me when you are ready to start. . . .

Romans 1: 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Wow, four lines from the entire friggin' Bible. Now that is a lot.

OK, you want evidence God doesn't exist. Lets start simply shall we. Evolution.
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Evolution doesn't disprove God's existence, just that the world was literally created piece by piece over seven days.
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Sham its guys like you that make real conservatives wish that duels where still legal. You have yet to make a intellectual argument on any level, you use pictures to "prove" your points and ideas and your complete incompetence stops people from even wanting to argue with you. Let me give you a little hint when most people use humor to make a political point it tends to be because the best way to show peoples absurdity by being absurd themselves. You seem not to understand that.

Now can I make a logical argument that God exist? Yes. Am I going to in order to help you out of the whole you dug yourself into no, I need a good laugh and enjoy it when someone uses logic to make a argument against you and you simply put up a picture of something to counter.
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