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View Poll Results: Has the U.S. government forsaken the citizenry's constitution when it suits them?
Yes, and here's why. 3 42.86%
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Old 12-05-2005, 10:57 AM
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Default Forsaken U.S. Constitution

An "amendment" is used to make (better and improve), not whenever it suits our government. I don't think bills should ever be passed without full disclosure to the American citizenry, before made into law. They dictate (nothing), they are there to represent. It seems they have forgotten their role.

Policies need to show up on all (News) whenever something new is introduced or before it's ever changed, in a frequent, unbiased, and informative manner.

I don't know about the new conservatives. The old ones didn't like laws and amendments being made left and right. There is nothing conservative about that.

I mean, what's most important to us? What's most important to every American citizen barring any and all partisan division?

Now we don't have to all approve of every bill, just that we know exactly what is being amended, or passed at any given time. Something needs to restore the checks and balances to this government. The three branches are no longer (branching)! They are one solid tree. Can you see the forest before the trees?

If anything is so blatantly wrong for the citizenry of America, then we can do something about it, then and there. Not allow our traitorous government to pass counterproductive amendments that suit their every whim. We continue to watch the watchmen, and true representation will flourish. I think a civilian organization can be put together to challenge counterproductive amendments, and bills.

A government must fear the citizenry, or there can be (no) liberty.
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An "amendment" is used to make (better and improve), not whenever it suits our government.
Who gets to decide that an amendment is not being used to improve our government?

Exactly what Amendments do you believe were not supported by a major ity of Americans? How do you know they were not supported by a majority of Americans at the time they were passed?

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Now we don't have to all approve of every bill, just that we know exactly what is being amended, or passed at any given time. Something needs to restore the checks and balances to this government. The three branches are no longer (branching)! They are one solid tree. Can you see the forest before the trees?
The 3 branches are still put into power by us. Why would we elect leaders who make decisions we dont agree with? That makes no sense.

Have you considered the possibility that you are simply in the minority on your opinions?

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If anything is so blatantly wrong for the citizenry of America, then we can do something about it, then and there. Not allow our traitorous government to pass counterproductive amendments that suit their every whim.
They are not passing Amendments to suit their whim. They are passing Amendments to suit OUR whim.

Explain to me why the anti-homo marriage amendment has not yet been passed. If the government has as much power and automomy as you seem to assume, it should be a done deal. Right?
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I don't think bills should ever be passed without full disclosure to the American citizenry, before made into law.
Actually, you can go the House and Senate websites and view every bill. Now, they can alter a bill before voting on it if they need to, so the exact bill passed may be slightly different, but for the most part you can see what they voted on.
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It is not the government that has forsaken it. It is the citizens. We have the power to hold government accountable, but we are as a whole too lazy/ignorant/apathetic/susceptible to familiar names/blinded by partisanship/whatever else to do it.
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It is not the government that has forsaken it. It is the citizens. We have the power to hold government accountable, but we are as a whole too lazy/ignorant/apathetic/susceptible to familiar names/blinded by partisanship/whatever else to do it.
It is our obligation as a citizen of this country to vote in those who we believe will act on our best interest. After which, it is really our obligation to stay informed of what is going on with "our" government, and to inform our representatives of our opinions, in order for our representatives to represent us properly.

But unlike when this country was first established, we have grown in size, and our values have changed drastically. I believe statistically under half the country actually votes during presidential elections, so how do you expect our government to act on our behalf if over half the country is to lazy to take an interest in their government.

We the people have the power, we just need to take an interest in our government as a whole, else the system collapses and you get what you have now, a government which is acting on how it believes the people want it to act.
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We don't hold them accountable. So they aren't.
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The implication seems to be that Americans arnt happy with the way the Constitution is right now.

Personally I know I am. There are no existing Amendments I would be in a hurry to remove. What makes you think most Americans feel differently?
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I thought the implication was that most Americans feel that the government ignores the Constitution.
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Here are two reasons why I voted yes:
1. Habeas Corpus protection has vanished.
2. Congresses war-making powers have shriveled to nothing.

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Congress's war making powers are the same place they have always been. If they choose to willingly cede their authority to the executive branch, that is the fault of the people that elected them into power.

The mechanics of our system have not changed. Congress could have (and still can) stop any war in it's tracks if they want to. The President cannot do squat after 90 days...thats the limit of his authority.

People that claim the Constitution has been corrupted are uninformed...nothing has changed except the actual decisions being made by the people WE voted into office. None of this happens without our consent. Take responsibility for your actions.
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