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Old 12-08-2005, 12:27 PM
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Default Who here feels represented by our government?

Do you feel congress represents themselves and (their) special interest groups?

Or do you feel they represent the citizenry, and workers of the U.S.?

The citizenry, workers of America are not special interest groups. So America, who does congress make their policy for? I don't see the average housewife trying to purchase, bribe favors from members of congress to suit their big capital corporatist interest's, do you?

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An individual or group who are concerned with some particular part of the economy and who try to influence legislators or bureaucrats to act in their favor.
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They meet the long-term needs of special interests and the short-term public opinion needs of the citizens. That's because special interests work at it and keep their goals in mind. The public reacts out of ignorance and reaction and tends to change its mind by next election.
If people held government accountable, they might just tell the special interests to screw off every now and again.
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Though I think it reasonable to assume that they primarily represent those who (primarily) fund them - thats not me...
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They meet the long-term needs of special interests and the short-term public opinion needs of the citizens. That's because special interests work at it and keep their goals in mind. The public reacts out of ignorance and reaction and tends to change its mind by next election.
If people held government accountable, they might just tell the special interests to screw off every now and again.
Special interest groups buy legislation and judges. How do suppose we stop this? Our so called representatives will not stop it. So what are our options?

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Though I think it reasonable to assume that they primarily represent those who (primarily) fund them - thats not me...
That's why our government must be wholly cut off from a free peoples economy. They must not be allowed to sell favors, and allow big capital to purchase them. They must also not be allowed to make policy in a free peoples economy.

Government intervention, by definition, throws off natural market forces, interferes with the laws of supply and demand, and degrades economies.
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This is a straightforward easy question America. What do you think?

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i wouldn't fell that way..........mainly because of the war in iraq....... when half of america recent the war, U DONT SEND 250,000 SOLDIERS TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD TO FIGHT AGAINST A COUNTRY WHO DOSEN'T HAVE ANYTHREAT AT ALL TO AMERICA.
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i wouldn't fell that way..........mainly because of the war in iraq....... when half of america recent the war, U DONT SEND 250,000 SOLDIERS TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD TO FIGHT AGAINST A COUNTRY WHO DOSEN'T HAVE ANYTHREAT AT ALL TO AMERICA.
Seeing as how using the largest military industrial congressional complex in the world, is in fact, counter productive to catching, and dismantling terror cells. This war is a war of dominance. If it weren't for this governments abhorrent foreign policy, terrorists would not be after the U.S. government, and their allies. This has already been documented by the CIA.

They don't hate the American people, just imperialism, and U.S. government intervention in their lives. I got news for ya, I would too. This has also been documented. It's the U.S. governments intrusive aggressive policies that have caused the attacks on U.S. embassies, U.S. land marks, USS cole, and (all) of them, military targets. Hell, 911 was an attack on World Trade, the IMF, and overall Globalization. The IMF are terrorists. None of that had anything to do with the American citizenry.

Before the U.S. invaded Afghanistan, the taliban started destroying the opium fields. It took over 200 billion out of the international banking cartels pockets, and Global market. It was said to be "economic warfare" against U.S. government for the threat of a U.S. invasion. Now after the invasion opium production is 18x what it was prior to the U.S. setting up shop. Hello? You gotta use your head, and see where this is all going. Not to mention the lopsided support of Israel, and genocide. Over (1.6) trillion dollars? Who do you think absolved that? Not to mention Gazza, American taxpayer's paid for (all) of it.

I seem to remember Osama being on the U.S. governments pay roll, when this government wanted the Soviet Union destroyed. Quite convenient at that time. If not for the support of the mujadeen at that crucial pivotal point in history, al qeasadia would never have (all grows up) to be as strong as it is. To be the taliban you see today. Thank the U.S. government. How it comes back to bite ya later, and who pays for it? I don't take sides bro as they are (all) guilty. Clinton was in the hen house during the Osama/Bosnia deal. It doesn't matter to me whose reigning for the next 4 to 8 years. That's meaningless.

Terror is a state of mind, and it's (endless). Not unlike the "war on drugs, poverty, hunger, aids..etc. It can (never) be won, and it's the perfect scapegoat. It's a blank check to do as they please, till you all die, or wake up. As far as catching the heads of this terror. They have gotten many, and (all) with local police, and intelligence. Won't matter as there is no real head to cut off.

Guess how many they got with these insidious imperialistic invasions.

Zero, with imperialistic war, unless you want to congratulate them for getting Saddam. A man who could have been assassinated at any moment they so chose. Anytime before they started calling for the invasion of Iraq, and pointing the finger at WMDs, he could have been taken out.

It's very telling when the citizenry of the most powerful empire on this planet, think we actually went there to take him out. It's quite pathetic also. It doesn't hurt that the U.S. has one of the worst education systems on this large planet of ours. We went there for the country, and it's strategic purpose's. Ever look at a map of that region?
C'mon, use your head America.

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Ray McGovern, a 27-year CIA analyst who briefed George H.W. Bush when he was Vice President, has written an article boldly exposing what so many carefully avoid. He shows how the press has failed to voice what is know only too well in powerful circles—that "Muslims do not hate our freedom, but rather, they hate our policies." It is the US government's lopsided support of Israel and other Middle Eastern regimes considered to be tyrannical which has created much of the animosity in the Arab world towards the US.

McGovern gives specific examples of how major media like the New York Times have avoided or played down this vital information. The deep roots of the war on terror have yet to be discussed in open public forums. There are many wonderful, good-hearted people in the countries of Israel and the Middle East, just as there are in the US and every country in the world. Let us not neglect, however, to work towards changing the policies of any country which serves the interests of the elite at the expense of everyone else
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our reps. seek to make themselves wealthier by favoring the rich and powerful. Have you heard about the K street project?? The intent is to have the final branch of government (lobbiests) be dominated by Repubs only. When our esteemed reps. (Republicans in particular) have finished there apprenticeships in Washington, then can make lots more money on K.Street if they have behaved themselves.

Furthermore, legislation is designed to appear moderate to the average voter. The tax cuts for instance, immediately awarded money to lower income people with much publicity and fanfare. Only later the big payoff to the wealthy is made permanent and dramatically inflates the deficit- quietly, stealthily. Same with the medicare drug benefit: throw an expensive bone to the elderly and another really expensive bone to the drug companies in the form of patent protections and no bulk discounts. 7,000 bills pass through congress. Guess who writes most of those bills?
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