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View Poll Results: Who here is for IRV Voting or some derivative.
I want real choice, without the fear of losing my vote, or thowing it away. 2 50.00%
I want it kept the way it is 2 50.00%
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Old 12-12-2005, 05:06 PM
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Demand your Congressman vote for this!

How about an "Instant run-off" voting system, or some derivative? This way we (will) be able to vote for the person we actually choose instead of a two party first at the gate duopoly? It will give us a fall back, and allow us to take a chance without the fear of throwing our votes away. No more coercion. Once this is done we can begin to change (all) our lives for the better.

http://www.instantrunoff.com/

We need to figure out a better way to count the votes, allow equal representation of a candidate, and involve more civil impartial Non partisan institutions in the process. It would seem the easiest way to get hate breeding slander off the air during elections would be to demand that from the stump speeches be the only thing that airs on a presidential candidates commercial. If it's not coming out of a candidates mouth it shouldn't air.

This way, we get it from the horses mouth to avoid any confusion. We shouldn't be forced to go to factcheck.org to find out what is true, and what is a lie. Our Gov installation has turned the presidential race into a massive propaganda circus, and we as American voters deserve better than that. These are just ideas, and would like to here yours as well.

With IRV, we can (freely) vote our conscience without fear of being penalized by wasting our your vote.

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"The main advantage of IRV and STV, without getting too technical, is that it discourages "strategic voting. Strategic voting is when you vote for candidates (not) based on pure preference and rather based on your expectations of how others will vote and who will be competitive"
They can take their red state blue state master manipulation, and lose it. We are individuals, not party line followers who share the ideals of only two parties, who don't represent our individual interests, or our welfare.

I'm tired of leaving elections up to the corporations, it's our turn to take America back, and we can't do it with two sides of the same coin. There is (no) downside to (real) choice. Neither party wants this implemented, because they know they would lose their absolute limitless power, and the citizenry would be free to change our country for the better.

It sure is funny how you don't see the Main Stream Media discussing this, or raising awareness, I wonder why?

Let's take back our country America.

Ron Paul.

WHO IS RON PAUL?

Congressman Ron Paul of Texas enjoys a national reputation as the premier advocate for liberty in politics today. Dr. Paul is the leading spokesman in Washington for limited constitutional government, low taxes, free markets, and a return to sound monetary policies based on commodity-backed currency. He is known among both his colleagues in Congress and his constituents for his consistent voting record in the House of Representatives: Dr. Paul never votes for legislation unless the proposed measure is expressly authorized by the Constitution. In the words of former Treasury Secretary William Simon, Dr. Paul is the "one exception to the Gang of 535" on Capitol Hill.
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I'll think about the IRV.

Are you in Ron Paul's district? I am. He delivered my niece. I remember going with my Dad to hear him give a speech, must have been the first time he ran for office. Now that I think about it, everyone I know votes for him. Liberal or conservative, he's very popular here. Makes you wonder.
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I'll think about the IRV.

Are you in Ron Paul's district? I am. He delivered my niece. I remember going with my Dad to hear him give a speech, must have been the first time he ran for office. Now that I think about it, everyone I know votes for him. Liberal or conservative, he's very popular here. Makes you wonder.
Your potent truthful words gave me the chills.

Does it give you chills bro? Does it make you truly wonder?

Do you see the power in your words? Do you see, how in a small scale local town, partisan hate breeding just vanishes when a citizeny (sees) the real truth? Why can people not see what this government has done to this country, and it's people? When peolpe are away from that planned divisive cancer, they truly see what matters, and vote with their hearts. IRV can give us back the power we must have. Give people such as Ron Paul, the chance to become president. He is a man of the people. The only one out of the 535 on capital hill. There are more out there just like Ron Paul, and with IRV, they can be heard, and be a real force to contend with.

Ron Paul Speeches- http://www.house.gov/paul/legis_congrec.htm

I'm in Florida. I'm sure there are millions more out there, who feel the same as he does. They just need a chance to compete with this duopoly. I'm sure there are millions more out there, who feel the same as he does. They just need a chance to compete with this duopoly.

Good post BtD! http://www.politicalforum.com/viewto...=13320&start=0
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I don't know about instant run-off elections, but it is clear to me that the current process is in need of reform. I think that the biggest problem is that corporations, unions and special interest groups legally bribe the two major parties with soft money. Third parties can't compete because the two main parties tend to keep their promises- but only to the people who gave them money. If politicians did more than just talk about banning soft money and actually banned it, we'd come a lot closer to having decent choices in elections.

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I don't know about instant run-off elections, but it is clear to me that the current process is in need of reform. I think that the biggest problem is that corporations, unions and special interest groups legally bribe the two major parties with soft money. Third parties can't compete because the two main parties tend to keep their promises- but only to the people who gave them money. If politicians did more than just talk about banning soft money and actually banned it, we'd come a lot closer to having decent choices in elections.

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That "legally bribed" merger between state, and big capital corporate power (is) fascism. It's that simple ForceoftheTruth.

Now, what do you find contention with, with IRV?
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My only concern about instant run-off elections is that they could cause extreme confusion among voters. Don't get me wrong, it is a great idea in theory, but so is absolute democracy, and as much as I'd like to support such ideas, I'd have to see a practical way of applying them in today's world before I actually could.
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My only concern about instant run-off elections is that they could cause extreme confusion among voters. Don't get me wrong, it is a great idea in theory, but so is absolute democracy, and as much as I'd like to support such ideas, I'd have to see a practical way of applying them in today's world before I actually could.
Here ya go. It's a tier system. Very simple, and it gives the American people (all the power), where it must be.

http://www.chrisgates.net/irv/ This explains it all.
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