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Old 12-13-2005, 08:38 AM
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Who are the new antisemites. . . .


Classical anti-Semitism of the type that targeted Jews simply for being Jewish, according to the Perlmutters, no longer posed a potent danger in the United States: “The Klansmen and the neo-Nazis are today no more than socially scrawny imitations of their once politically meaningful forebears, while uptown, the very fact of whispered anti-Semitism is testimony to its low estate.” A new type of anti-Semitism, however, had replaced it. This “real” anti-Semitism was defined by Perlmutters as any challenge inimical to Jewish interests. If not subjectively driven by animus towards Jews, it was nonetheless objectively harmful to them: “Essentially, this book's thesis is that today the interests of Jews are not so much threatened by their familiar nemesis, crude anti-Semitism, as by a-Semitic governmental policies, the proponents of which may be free of anti-Semitism and indeed may well – literally – count Jews among some of their best friends.” Practically, this meant pinning the epithet “anti-Semitism” on domestic challenges to Jewish class privilege and political power as well as as on global challenges to Israel hegemony. American Jewish elites were, in effect and in plain sight, cynically appropriating “anti-Semitism” - a historical phenomenon replete with suffering and martyrdom, on one hand, and hatred and genocide , on the other – as an ideological weapon to defend and facilitate ethnic aggrandizement. “Unchallenged and unchecked,” real anti-Semitism, the Perlmutters warned, “can loose once again classical anti-Semitism.” In fact the reverse comes closer to the truth: it is the mislabeling of legitimate challenges to Jewish privilege and power as anti-Semitism that breeds irrational resentment of Jews, more which later.(14)

Beyond Chutzpah: On the Misuse of Anti-Semitism and the Abuse of History. Norman G. Finkelstein. University of California Press. 2005. ISBN: 0-520-24598-9. Page 27.

But what puts Schoenfeld's account in a special class is the extraordinary spectrum of Jews he tabulates as anti-Semitic. Indeed, according to Schoenfeld, the new anti-Semitism emanates mainly from the political left. In other words, the juggernaut of the new anti-Semitism is “largely a Jewish contingent”; and again, “left-wing Jews” are “in the vanguard” of the new anti-Semitism. However absurd, it is all the same unsurprising to see Noam Chomsky classified as an anti-Semite in Schoenfled's book; Chomsky became the bete noire of Israel's apologists after proving to the most principled and effective Jewish critic of Israeli policy.

Beyond Chutzpah: On the Misuse of Anti-Semitism and the Abuse of History. Norman G. Finkelstein. University of California Press. 2005. ISBN: 0-520-24598-9. Page 40.





Meanwhile, the misinformation about what is going on in the Middle East has got even greater and the principal victim of these gaudy lies. - the American taxpayer to one side – is American Jewry, as it is constantly bullied by such professional terrorists as Begin and Shamir. Worse, with a few honourable exceptions, Jewish-American intellectuals abandoned liberalism for a series of demented alliances with the Christian (antisemitic) right with the Pentagon-industrial complex. In 1985 one of the them blithely wrote that when Jews arrived on the scene they 'found liberal opinion and liberal politicians more congenial in their attitude, more sensitive to Jewish concerns' but now it is in the Jewish interest to ally with the Protestant fundamentalists because, after all, 'is there any point in Jews hanging on, dogmatically, hypocritically, to their opinions of yesteryear?' At this point the American left split and those of us who criticized our onetime Jewish allies for misguided opportunism, were promptly rewarded with the ritual epithet 'antisemite' or self-hating Jew'.

Jewish History – Jewish Religion: the Weight of Three Thousand years. Israel Shahak. Forward by Gore Vidal. Page IV.
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hahahahahahah so many views an not a comment . . .it appears the PC Nazi aren't going to comment that ehy are no required to call the "self hating " jews and the "Jews for Nothing" . . . ."ANTISEMITIC. . . .must be leaving some bad taste in the mouthes of the PC Nazis. . .. hahahahaha
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hahahahahahah so many views an not a comment . . .it appears the PC Nazi aren't going to comment that ehy are no required to call the "self hating " jews and the "Jews for Nothing" . . . ."ANTISEMITIC. . . .must be leaving some bad taste in the mouthes of the PC Nazis. . .. hahahahaha
First of all, 8 views is hardly "so many," considering the number of people who post here everyday.

Secondly, a more probable explanation is that you have already proven yourself to be incapable of logical reasoning, so why bother arguing with you.

As for me, I read the first few lines of your stupid little post and deemed it a waste of time to read further. I don't care about you or your ideas.
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First of all, 8 views is hardly "so many," considering the number of people who post here everyday.
8 views of 100% PC Nazis. . .

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Secondly, a more probable explanation is that you have already proven yourself to be incapable of logical reasoning, so why bother arguing with you.
Proves that again I am corect and the master of info. . . sionce again you cannot refute what is written by these jews about the jews. . ..

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As for me, I read the first few lines of your stupid little post and deemed it a waste of time to read further. I don't care about you or your ideas.
Yeah cretins like you drop out early. . .too much is expected from them.. . .like reading. . hahahaha
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Old 12-13-2005, 11:39 AM
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Let’s face facts here, Jews have deviant interests, Jewish interests aren’t American interests, no matter how hard they want the masses to believe it. Nor are they the same as Canada’s, Germany’s or Japan’s. At the same time, Jewish people have a lot of power. This is a notable combination, since it basically comes down to “people in power who are not necessarily perusing Western interests, but are rather perusing their own interests (Israel’s).

You should be very well aware of Jewish power, this is not something they should feel ashamed about, yet it is something to take into account when analyzing geo political status quo. The so-called neocon elite for instance is predominately Jewish, Zionist and thus not the right men for the Job, yet they are formally in charge of the world’s super power, with disastrous consequences.

a Feb. 9 front-page article in the Washington Post, Robert Kaiser quotes a senior U.S. official as saying, “The Likudniks are really in charge now.” Kaiser names Perle, Wolfowitz, and Feith as members of a pro-Israel network inside the administration and adds David Wurmser of the Defense Department and Elliott Abrams of the National Security Council. (Abrams is the son-in-law of Norman Podhoretz, editor emeritus of Commentary, whose magazine has for decades branded critics of Israel as anti-Semites.)
Noting that Sharon repeatedly claims a “special closeness” to the Bu(*)(*)(*)(*)es, Kaiser writes, “For the first time a U.S. administration and a Likud government are pursuing nearly identical policies.” And a valid question is: how did this come to be, and while it is surely in Sharon’s interest, is it in America’s interest?
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Why don't you go to a Christian counselor, Shamgar? You can find them in any telephone book.
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Why don't you go to a Christian counselor, Shamgar? You can find them in any telephone book.
Yeah mabye I should run to these "Christian" sellouts. . . . sorry not going to happen. . . .

And by this reckoning, the religious right no longer figured as anti-Semitic, because it had pledged support for the Holy State: “Fundamentalist intolerance is currently not so baneful as its friendship for Israel is helpful.” How little the “real”anti-Semitism
had to do with the genuine article and how much with criticism of Israel policy could be gleaned from the Perlmutters' preference for the Christian right, which was steeped in anti-Jewish bigorty but “pro”-Israel, as against liberal protestantism, was free of anti-Jewish bigotry but “anti”-Israel:

'Why then do we fee more comfortable today with the Reverend Bailey Smith, leader of the Southern Baptist Convention, who has seriously declared, “With all due respect to those dear people, my friends, God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew,” than we do with the socially conscious National Council of Churches? After all the Southern Baptists have yet to disclaim the charge deicide against me, while member organizations of the National Council of Churches acquitted me even while the Vatican Counsil II's jury is still out. The answer lies not in their measures of anti-Semitism, but in their political postures. Christian-professing religious attitides, in this time, in this country, are for all practical purposes, no more than personally held religious concepts, barely impacting the way in which a Jews live. Their political action, as it relates to the security of the sate of Israel, impacts us far more meaningfully than whether a Christian neighbor believes that his is the exclusive hot line to “on high.”'

On this criterion, Jerry Falwell of the Moral Majority and Pat Robertson of the Christian Broadcasting Network likewise passed muster. Although their fundamentalist theology reeked of anti-Semitism, it was of no account so long as they gave backing to a militarized Israel. ”[L]et's praise the Lord,” the Perlmutters counseled, borrowing the title of a World War II hit, and pass the ammunition.” Indeed, they didn't just praise the Christian right but exonerated it as well: “[R]arely has a religious persuasion been as broadly smeared as have fundamentalists. As excoriations of Zionism have served to camouflage raw anti-Semitism, so have swollen hyperboles descriptive of the Moral Majority and the Religious Roundtable beclouded the image of fundamentalists.” Little can be said for the claims of this analogy, the Perlmutters do deserve credit for clearly and accurately aligning, in the analogy's terms, Zionism (at any rate, their brand of it) with the Moral Majority.

Beyond Chutzpah: On the Misuse of Anti-Semitism and the Abuse of History. Norman G. Finkelstein. University of California Press. 2005. ISBN: 0-520-24598-9. Page 30-31.
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Let’s face facts here, Jews have deviant interests, Jewish interests aren’t American interests, no matter how hard they want the masses to believe it.
Oh but they are the same interests. . over throw every country that is not a democracy and put in a puppet goverment. . . and in the mean time the jews can have the land they desire as they clearly indicated back in 1918. . ..

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I am sure it has nothing to do with the fact that no one takes you seriously, heh heh
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Who are the new antisemites. . . .


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ok im pretty pissed off........yes the jews like israel.why?!
israel is the only state in the world that has a jewish majority...it's the only country that identifyes with jews.it's the only country who's been fighting constantly against hateret for the jews in the world. but that dosen't mean that they don't fell american in their hearts. here's a fact why:
it's in our law that every jew in the world can immigrate to israel.
many choose to come to israel,but many in america don't. in russia,after the jews were treated horribly becuase russia supported israel's enemies.once the soviet regime fall,israel got into their hands about a million jewish-russian immigrants.but many chose to stay.why? not because they don't like israel,but because they fell russian....the same with america.many jewish americans immigrated to israel threw the years,and that dosen't say that they don't fell american,they just want to live with the same people as they are....but the americans who chose to stay in america,feel american just like christian americans.

would u say that if the jews aren't american,then the moslems aren't american either?

BTW i can't belive myself for responding to this disscusion.one day i will just say: ok, the jews tried to take over the world,by creating a country that has poor jews who almost died in the holocaust,or jews that lived in arab states,and to take over the world by pissing it off again and again,,,i don't know what is so wrong about a guy living in a country that separeted the religion from the state,and the guy happens to have a religion,that pisses other guys that have swasstikas,by not dying in the gas cells...

im sorry for being so direct im just a little tired.
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