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but..... this shows u didn't study history,because christianity WAS a part of judaism even after the death of jesus....it's a proven fact........idiot.
See you are the idiot since I have repeatedly told you that Judaism was coined by Josephus after the death of Christ. . .idiot. .. .


Among the innumerable misfortunes which have befallen the Israelites since they ceased to form a state and a nation, one of the most fatal in its consequences is the name Judaism. In the mind of the Gentiles this name indissolubly associates our religion, which is universal in its deepest sources and universal in its scope and tendency, with the Jewish race, and thus stamps it as a tribal religion. Worse still, the Jews themselves, who have gradually come to call their religion Judaism, are most of them misled to believe, that their faith is bound up altogether with the Jewish race, that it is a religion for the Jews alone and not for the people of any other race or nationality.

Yet, neither in biblical nor in post-biblical, neither in talmudic nor in much later times, is the term Judaism ever heard of among the Israelites. The Bible speaks of the religion of Israel as “Torath Yahve,” the instruction, or the moral law, revealed by Yahve; more fully it is stated to be the statutes, judgments, and ordinances of Yahve. In other places, what we are wont to call the religion of Israelis represented as “Yirath Yahve,” the fear and reverence of Yahve. These and other kindred appellations continued for many ages to stand for the religion of Israel among its adherents. To distinguish it from Christianity and Islam, the Jewish philosophers sometimes designated it as the faith or the belief of the Jews. It was Flavius Josephus, writing for the instructions of Greeks and Romans, who coined the term Judaism, in order to pit it against Hellenism as a worthy opponent and rival. By Hellenism was understood the civilization, comprising language, poetry, religion, art, science, customs, and institutions, which, since the times of Alexander, had spread from Greece, its original home, over vast regions of Europe, Asia, and Africa. Josephus, zealous for glory of his nation, wished to prove to his pagan contemporaries that the Jewish conception of God, of the soul, of morality, enshrined in a noble literature, were in most respects superior to those of Hellenism. And to the totality of their beliefs, moral commandments, religious practices, and ceremonial institutions he gave the name of Judaism. The Christian early writers eagerly seized the name thus furnished them, in order to distinguish Christianity from the mother-religion from which it had sprung and become differentiated; they were thus enabled to demonstrate to heathens, who were seeking the true God, that for them to embrace the religion of Israel meant to become Jews, members of the hated, despised, and already persecuted Jewish race. Moreover, the Jews themselves, who intensely detested the traitor Josephus, refrained from reading his works and from adopting his theological, practical, or historical idea. Hence, the term Judaism coined by Josephus remained absolutely unknown to them. It was only in comparatively recent times, after the Jews became familiar with modern Christian literature, that they began to name their religion, Judaism.

Yahvism And Other Discourses. Rabbi Adolph Moses. (edited by H.G. Enelow, D.D., Rabbi of Congregation Adath Israel, Louisville, Ky.)Louisville Section of the Council of Jewish Women. 1903. Pages 1-2.
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but..... this shows u didn't study history,because christianity WAS a part of judaism even after the death of jesus....it's a proven fact........idiot.
See you are the idiot since I have repeatedly told you that Judaism was coined by Josephus after the death of Christ. . .idiot. .. .


Among the innumerable misfortunes which have befallen the Israelites since they ceased to form a state and a nation, one of the most fatal in its consequences is the name Judaism. In the mind of the Gentiles this name indissolubly associates our religion, which is universal in its deepest sources and universal in its scope and tendency, with the Jewish race, and thus stamps it as a tribal religion. Worse still, the Jews themselves, who have gradually come to call their religion Judaism, are most of them misled to believe, that their faith is bound up altogether with the Jewish race, that it is a religion for the Jews alone and not for the people of any other race or nationality.

Yet, neither in biblical nor in post-biblical, neither in talmudic nor in much later times, is the term Judaism ever heard of among the Israelites. The Bible speaks of the religion of Israel as “Torath Yahve,” the instruction, or the moral law, revealed by Yahve; more fully it is stated to be the statutes, judgments, and ordinances of Yahve. In other places, what we are wont to call the religion of Israelis represented as “Yirath Yahve,” the fear and reverence of Yahve. These and other kindred appellations continued for many ages to stand for the religion of Israel among its adherents. To distinguish it from Christianity and Islam, the Jewish philosophers sometimes designated it as the faith or the belief of the Jews. It was Flavius Josephus, writing for the instructions of Greeks and Romans, who coined the term Judaism, in order to pit it against Hellenism as a worthy opponent and rival. By Hellenism was understood the civilization, comprising language, poetry, religion, art, science, customs, and institutions, which, since the times of Alexander, had spread from Greece, its original home, over vast regions of Europe, Asia, and Africa. Josephus, zealous for glory of his nation, wished to prove to his pagan contemporaries that the Jewish conception of God, of the soul, of morality, enshrined in a noble literature, were in most respects superior to those of Hellenism. And to the totality of their beliefs, moral commandments, religious practices, and ceremonial institutions he gave the name of Judaism. The Christian early writers eagerly seized the name thus furnished them, in order to distinguish Christianity from the mother-religion from which it had sprung and become differentiated; they were thus enabled to demonstrate to heathens, who were seeking the true God, that for them to embrace the religion of Israel meant to become Jews, members of the hated, despised, and already persecuted Jewish race. Moreover, the Jews themselves, who intensely detested the traitor Josephus, refrained from reading his works and from adopting his theological, practical, or historical idea. Hence, the term Judaism coined by Josephus remained absolutely unknown to them. It was only in comparatively recent times, after the Jews became familiar with modern Christian literature, that they began to name their religion, Judaism.

Yahvism And Other Discourses. Rabbi Adolph Moses. (edited by H.G. Enelow, D.D., Rabbi of Congregation Adath Israel, Louisville, Ky.)Louisville Section of the Council of Jewish Women. 1903. Pages 1-2.
no...because the jews are infact known as jews instead of hebrew right after the jewish bible ends,and that's before jesus and the roman time...that's more in the area of greek times....maybe it's diffrent in the old testement(maybe that's why you don't celebrate hanuka) but jews were jews much before jesus and rome.but in the time of the jewish rebellion against the greeks.
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no...because the jews are infact known as jews instead of hebrew right after the jewish bible ends,and that's before jesus and the roman time...that's more in the area of greek times....maybe it's diffrent in the old testement(maybe that's why you don't celebrate hanuka) but jews were jews much before jesus and rome.but in the time of the jewish rebellion against the greeks.
"no" would be the correct answer to the question "are you intelligent?". . .My answer again is the correct answer about Judaism. . . .

http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/ch07.htm

Hitlerism is Satan’s nationalism. The determination to rid the German national body of the Jewish element, however, led Hitlerism to discover its “kinship” with Zionism, the Jewish nationalism of liberation. Therefore Zionism became the only other party legalized in the Reich, the Zionist flag the only other flag permitted to fly in Nazi-land. It was a painful distinction for Zionism to be singled out for favors and privileges by its Satanic counterpart. [22]
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no...because the jews are infact known as jews instead of hebrew right after the jewish bible ends,and that's before jesus and the roman time...that's more in the area of greek times....maybe it's diffrent in the old testement(maybe that's why you don't celebrate hanuka) but jews were jews much before jesus and rome.but in the time of the jewish rebellion against the greeks.
"no" would be the correct answer to the question "are you intelligent?". . .My answer again is the correct answer about Judaism. . . .

http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/ch07.htm

Hitlerism is Satan’s nationalism. The determination to rid the German national body of the Jewish element, however, led Hitlerism to discover its “kinship” with Zionism, the Jewish nationalism of liberation. Therefore Zionism became the only other party legalized in the Reich, the Zionist flag the only other flag permitted to fly in Nazi-land. It was a painful distinction for Zionism to be singled out for favors and privileges by its Satanic counterpart. [22]
but your answer is reapiting itself....and you still haven't prove why the zionists want to get rid of the jewish religion.
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but your answer is reapiting itself....and you still haven't prove why the zionists want to get rid of the jewish religion.
A. I never said "zionist want to get rid of the jewish religion"
B. Jews have no problem throwing jews to the wolves to attain their goals. . .all you have to do is look at the orthodiox jews calling their fellows jews for "NOTHING"


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One of no consequence, significance, or interest: The new nonsmoking policy is nothing to me.
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